<p>ooo another question:</p>
<p>Do you plan on going to medical/veterinary or pharmacy school post-bachelors?</p>
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<p>Q: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: That’s not funny.</p>
<p>(I love that joke.)</p>
<p>As a point of reference, I’m a woman, and I’m working as an engineer.</p>
<p>do male engineers with good looks have a shot with girls in non-technical majors? I’ll be at CMU next year for cs, and as much as I like technology i’m not sure I ever want to find myself discussing it with my date over a romantic dinner…</p>
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Of course they do, why wouldn’t they…
It is not like being an engineer makes you unattractive, it is the things that usually comes with being an engineer which is.</p>
<p>Haha of course they do… if you’ve got social skills then you’ll be fine ;)</p>
<p>Silence - haha, nice reply to #1.
I don’t belive the math argument, but I’m not exactly sure why BME has so many girls either. Maybe we think that’s where the cute boys will be? 
Maybe it’s just because we’re encouraged to like biology first, instead of trucks and airplanes, etc etc as a kid.</p>
<p>I got my MS in BME, and work as an engineer now.</p>
<p>And because I absolutely love it, and it hasn’t been mentioned yet in this thread…
[PHD</a> Comics: Dating Odds](<a href=“PHD Comics: So productive”>PHD Comics: Dating Odds)</p>
<p>Have anyone (women) ever had an issue with sexism?</p>
<p>That’s something that’s constantly gnawing at the back of my mind</p>
<p>As a structural engineer, I worked with one head draftsmam who drove me crazy. He thought poorly of all women. He referred to his wife as “She” very condescendingly. Towards the end of my time at that company, we had seminars on sexual harassment, and it dawned on me that his attitude probably counted, but it wasn’t worth causing a stink about it. </p>
<p>And one other time, a contractor gave me a hard time for working part-time when I had little kids. When he learned my weekly schedule, he sneeringly said, “Oh, you must be a MOM…”</p>
<p>That’s been about it, in 20 years! Most guys are great.</p>
<p>I had NO problems at UT, even in the dark ages.</p>
<p>“male engineers with good looks”</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>To Laurezer, good to hear lots of girls in BME, since son will be studying that.</p>
<p>Has been in all boys schools since fifth grade, so girls in class will be a new thing for him, but a good thing, I hope.</p>
<p>Actually, really good friend’s Mom (are you surprised) nixed Georgia Tech for son because of 2 to 1 male to female ratio.</p>
<p>Agree with you on the biology/engineering concept</p>
<p>I majored in biology, my husband majored in engineering, and our son will do BME.<br>
Now that’s genetics for you.</p>
<p>Good for you getting an MS and working as an engineer</p>
<p>Where did you go to school and where do you work, if I might ask?</p>
<p>Haha that’s great about the genetics! I hope your son enjoys BME, it can lead to so many interesting jobs, research, etc.</p>
<p>I went to Washington University in St. Louis for undergrad, Boston University for MS, and work in a small office of a large technology/medical device company.</p>
<p>From what I’ve seen from orientations, female engineers tend to be attractive (of course, these are USC female engineers). Personally, going into engineering myself I wouldn’t want to date an engineer since just about every guy with a pocket protector will be breathing on them. I’m sure our conversations would be interesting, but it would be so much more interesting if we studied wholly different majors. But then again, I wouldn’t know if it would be bad or not. :D</p>
<p>Meh. English and Theatre Arts girls ftw lol.</p>
<p>I have not read the rest of the posts, but let me answer OP’s question analytically (as an engineer). OP makes four claims about girls in engg
- less than average looking
- have boyfriends
- boyfriends not in engineering
- high ratio of guys-to-girls in engg</p>
<p>Then he asks the question: "Okay, how does this work? It would make sense if 1 and 2 are true and 3 false due to the high guy to girl ratio. Ie, i’d except the boyfriends to be in engineering. Point 3 doesn’t really make sense because if they are below average in looks, why do they always have boyfriends (not in engineering)? n: "</p>
<p>Here is the answer. You are right OP, it does not make sense. There is inherent inconsistency in your claims. And you have correctly observed that inconsistency. Therefore, one or more of claims is not true. Now, if you look at your claims again, (2), (3), and (4) are factual. They are either true or false objectively. Since that is what you have observed, (2), (3), and (4) are true. But (1) is NOT factual. It is a subjective. So to remove inconsistency, you get rid of your first claim. That is, girls in Engg are NOT not ess than average looking. </p>
<p>Problem solved using proof by contradiction. </p>
<p>Now, the subjective part. Why do guys like you observe that girls are less than average looking. It is because you are intimidated by their intelligence. So you convince yourself they are not attractive. Maybe you should use mirror more often!</p>
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<p>At what point does it become fact? How many people have to observe this? There’s no debating an attractive person, male or female, is the exception in most engineering classes. With only a handful of girls in most classes too it’s even less likely one of them is good looking.</p>
<p>ah yes. I’ve lost track of my original post. Heres my take on it.</p>
<p>I still believe that all 4 statements are true. </p>
<p>I believe that due to point 4: high ratio of guys-to-girls in eng that these below average looking engineering girls get hit on.</p>
<p>This gives them the extra self confidence required to as a whole have boyfriends even outside of engineering.</p>
<p>Ok, thermo1, that is a plausible theory. Assuming it is true, it still does not still explain, why the girls will seek out boys out of engg (point 3). That they are ugly, they become confident due to getting hit on in engg due to high ratio, and then settle with someone in engg. But in (3) you are saying it is not true. You will have to therefore find a problem in engg boys not pin down on (1) alone. In that case, I would say girls who choose engg think out of the box, they are smart and social. While engg guys are plain geeks. Would you rather accept this. </p>
<p>My $0.02: small statistical sample to generalize. It is stereotypes like these that do disservice to our society by keeping talented girls out of engg, and push them to seek more lucrative careers in medicine.</p>
<p>And guys in engg suffer too as the odds of finding a mate in school goes against them. It is not like they will have ton of time to seek out girls out of engg. </p>
<p>Is that clear enough?</p>
<p>@sstory:no debating an attractive person, male or female, is the exception in most engineering classes. </p>
<p>sstory, I did not respond to you as this is not what op is claiming. His assertion is girls are not attractive. He did not make a mention of engg boys. And he is seeking explanation why girls are successful in getting boyfriends outside of engg. Implicit in his message is: boys in engg are not successful getting girlfriends outside of engg.</p>
<p>Why is a reference to a female as “she” considered sexist? And if the pronoun “she” is now prohibited, pls explain why.</p>
<p>It’s probably how he said it, not what he said.</p>
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<p>How do guys in engineering find a gf? And for that matter, how do guys working in the engineering field find women when they work mostly with other guys?</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, yes. I’ve got a varying collection of incidents, some pretty awful, others just plain hysterical. </p>
<p>Most of the guys are great to work with-- the team I’m working with now are all male except for me, and everyone is constantly dishing crap to other people. One guy is a little overweight, two guys are Asian, two guys are Mexican, and I’m… given crap for being hyper-organized and super anal-retentive about my desk and files. That’s it. They don’t ignore the fact that I’m a woman-- they join me in thinking it’s hilarious that this one client keeps calling me “sweetheart”. We’ve had conversations where they try to relate to what it’s like to be the only woman in the room. “Isn’t it just really weird for you?” they ask. “Not anymore, really,” I say. </p>
<p>Most guys are great. A few are jerks and losers, but if they’re not being jerks and losers about you being a woman, they’d find some other way to make their true colors known.</p>
<p>Referring to the guy who called his wife, “She.” - “It’s probably how he said it, not what he said.”</p>
<p>Exactly! You know, I don’t think he ever used her given name. He made it sound like “She Devil.” It was horrible.</p>