<p>Well, as Beethoven was deaf himself and I'm sure he got pleasure from his Fifth...</p>
<p>Excellent point!</p>
<p>"honestly, where did this HYPMS thing start. I mean, i think everyone knows HYP, but S and M, are they in the same peer group, especially MIT, its a tech school..."</p>
<p>All the HYPSM schools are equally prestigious. Having Stanford and MIT as part of the acronym only strengthens the acronym's percieved quality and prestige. If you included schools like UPenn in there, it would be like flooding the market of top-quality Gucci clothing with a bunch of cheap knock-offs from the Philipines. HYPSM is like what the ivy-league schould have been if only the lower-ivies stopped riding off the prestige of Yale and Harvard.</p>
<p>Eh...<em>Yawn</em></p>
<p>Gutrade's words are absurd, if he weren't so insecure about his own mind he wouldn't feel the need to denigrate a school that is equally (and in some fields better) able to develop this country's talent. I find it difficult to find any department (save a few ephemeral liberal arts categories) at Yale that can match Upenn.</p>
<p>hay G Trade:</p>
<p>See the schoolers from top schools here they prefer Penn over the rest. And USC is outsmarting UC Palo Alto with 50% CA admits.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.andover.edu/news/commencement05.htm%5B/url%5D">www.andover.edu/news/commencement05.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.rlstevenson.org/ftpimages/28/misc/misc_14901.pdf%5B/url%5D">www.rlstevenson.org/ftpimages/28/misc/misc_14901.pdf</a></p>
<p>Hi, I'm a broken record:</p>
<p>The ivy league is a sports conference. If HYPePrCoCrDB had to regularly play say, Stanford, that would be utterly ridiculous and against the whole concept that academics come first, as the sports teams would need to miss extra days of classes to get over jetlag.</p>
<p>Also, if anyone is applying to Penn solely because they think it has prestige and will make them $$, please don't. I don't want you here.</p>
<p>(Everytime Penn goes up in the rankings, the incoming class gets snobbier and less unique and interesting)</p>
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<p>and <em>yawn</em> again</p>
<p>"Everytime Penn goes up in the rankings, the incoming class gets snobbier and less unique and interesting"</p>
<p>It seems more likely that Penn goes up in the rankings because the students are less snobby that those at the other ivys, more unique, and more interesting.</p>
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<p>i thought unique meant different in its own special way...can someone please explain what "less unique" means?</p>
<p>fewer quirky folks who have all congregated at Swarthmore and Brown, greater numbers of competetive students than prior......perhaps fewer legacy or development admits who needed the boost....who knows. I love Penn and find the quality to be getting better regarding quality of matriculant. I suppose one could choose to interpret urban sophisticate as snobby.....a girl did leave my housing unit at the end of this year because she felt out of place....she chose to go to UNC Chapel Hill where she was from.....I was sorry to hear that. She claimed it was the manner of dress.....right.</p>
<p>Let's see previous quotes by Gutrade, shall we?</p>
<p>"Harvard, Yale, and Stanford are in a league by themselves. Princeton, MIT, and Caltech are in a secondary league. All other schools are not worth mentioning when it comes to top, world-wide name recognition."</p>
<p>P,M,C are in a secondary league? On what planet? And wait, I thought you just said they're "equally prestigious"...</p>
<p>"Penn is awesome because if you are not HYPS material you can still get into Penn and receive a top notch education."</p>
<p>So now Penn's academics are top notch, in your own words? I thought you just said it was second rate? Which is it?</p>
<p>"Penn is an obscure school. Go get yourselves some prestige fellas. Ya'll need it."</p>
<p>Obscure!? Do you live in a cave? Heh, it's funny...kids these days don't have a very strong command of the english language. </p>
<p>"I care what the public thinks, because like it or not, the public is the most important entity period. By claiming that the public doesn't matter, you guys are simply being sheltered and elitist. Who's in a bubble now? Do you think that your boss is somehow super-educated, sophisticated, and qualified? In more cases than not, your boss is going to be dummer than you, more ignorant than you, and less qualified than you."</p>
<p>And hey, guess what your "dum" boss is going to look at? How bout USNWR? Which ranks Penn higher than Stanford, a school you perhaps might have some attachment to...so I guess the public doesn't see Penn as obscure after all...</p>
<p>Do us all a favor and stay off the Penn board please, if you have absolutely nothing of importance to say. Thanks.</p>
<p>wow, u Duke and Penn dudes like to point to that US News rankings a lot. I don't see Stanford, nor Harvard, Yale, Princeton, nor Columbia, Cal Tech, MIT, etc... doing that.</p>
<p>Less unique: less different in its own special way.</p>
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<p>um... i certainly hope my future employer will be.</p>
<p>There is a certain allure to be exclusive. Gutrade and other students from HYPSM love living off of that "I'm special because I got in, and you didn't" attitude. They love to think that they are above everyone else, like in a special country club or something. That's why they get defensive when anyone tries comparing Penn to HYPSM.</p>
<p>I don't think Penn is equal in academics and prestige to HYPS (MIT CalTech are techie schools, so of course they are the best in what they do). However, it is not far behind, and its catching up.</p>
<p>People dont bother bashing most schools (like Northwestern or USC) because they know that they are better. But the fact that they feel the need to put down Penn shows that Penn is right up there.</p>
<p>I didn't get into Princeton ED, but I'm glad I didnt. Penn has so much to offer that you simply cannot get at other schools. It is so flexible- double majors, minors, dual degrees, submatriculation, and so on. After visiting Penn and Princeton last fall, my parents and sister thought that Penn had a more happening campus, and the student body was overall happier.</p>
<p>Why is it that Penn is constantly being bashed, while comparable schools, such as Duke and Columbia, are not? Is it because of its ranking? Well, I agree that Stanford and MIT should be ranked higher, which means that USNWR is only off by 2 places. Honestly, most Penn students dont care either way- its you Stanfordites and Yalies that do.</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
<p>You guys just dont get it do you? Asw a student going to Yale, I have the most to fear from school like STanford and MIT. They are rapidly rising and if any school stands to kock Haravrd and Yale off their pedestal, it's Stanford. However, when Stanford comes to pass Yale and Harvard in prestige (if it hasn't happened already), I will not care. Stanford is a great school that has equally hard admissions policies as Yale. However, UPenn is so easy to get into compared to Yale and Stanford. With its ED admissions policies UPenn is as easy to get into as state schools like Berkeley. I mean come on....it admits like 25 percent of students who apply!!</p>
<p>In short, UPenn can never reach the level of Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, or MIT. Saying things like HYP^2 is just dumb.</p>
<p>You fear them because you believe that their rise in rank denegrates your acquired knowledge and credentials from Yale?? So....you would become less capable and less marketable?? Is that what you are telling us????</p>
<p>I can tell that Gutrade already feels threatened in marketability by the term HYPP. Why else would someone get so defensive.</p>