Giving college a 2nd try at age 28

I technically joined one (never initiated) that was a colony, but it doesn’t really count. Only about 6 of us actually cared about the organization, the rest just wanted it on their resume and never paid dues or showed up to meetings. Hence why we never chartered. The months after the collapse were hell for me.

I also hung out most of the week with a chapter for a few months, until being denied a bid by one vote. This was probably the main turning point in my life going down the drain, come to think of it. My dad was also in what was widely considered the “top” house at his school and always talked about how amazing it was. We have similar personalities.

Nevertheless, isn’t the stated point of fraternities to turn boys into men? I mean they’re all adults anyway. Fraternities are a lot more than parties and friends (though those are certainly nice): you pledge together and develop incredible bonds, and are part of something much bigger than yourself.

I get what he’s saying, but it seems to trivialize the situation. It’s my life, not an amusement park ride. But would I blame an adult who never got to go to amusement parks for going on the rides? Of course not. Taking a message of “it’s over, you’re screwed” to heart isn’t as easy as you made it sound.

It’s a discussion forum for people to bounce around ideas. I’ve also never been the type to just roll over and give up (I idolized characters like Rudy and Forrest Gump growing up).

But mostly it’s extremely painful to think that they’re probably right and I ruined everything permanently. Like my mind just spits it back out and says “no” as a form of self-defense.

I have to admit that when I started this thread, I was hoping for more positivity and that maybe I had some hope.

I haven’t made up my mind yet, mostly because I have to get finances in order (I learned ITT that I can’t get a scholarship) but it also depends if my film career goes anywhere between now and next fall.

Might be worth a shot, but do you think they’d say anything different than what I was told here?

Actually, no. Depression (thanks to the NIMH here): “causes severe symptoms that affect how you feel, think, and handle daily activities, such as sleeping, eating, or working.” "It isn’t the same as depression caused by a loss, such as the death of a loved one, or a medical condition, such as a thyroid disorder (thanks to Mayo Clinic there). It is real, it is legitimate, and fwiw the characteristics can include:

Feelings of worthlessness or guilt, fixating on past failures or self-blame
Feelings of sadness, tearfulness, emptiness or hopelessness .

I have no idea if you are depressed or not (a counselor would), but I do know that your sense of perspective is seriously distorted. In just your last post you have expressed:

all because you didn’t have an “amazing” fraternity experience. Seriously? You have convinced yourself that an Animal House experience is essential to having meaningful life. In real life, only a tiny fraction of the human population ever has that experience- and I assure you that life has meaning and joy for the rest of us.

No, they don’t “all” agree. Anecdotal, but I know rather a lot of people who tell the same story. My brother had a happy frat experience. One of his best friends to this day is a former frat brother- ONE! Except for a reunion a few years ago he doesn’t see much of his former frat friends. But he would strongly disagree that his frat days- happy as they were - were the “creme de la creme”. He would put his wife and children well above frat days. Starting his own business also. etc.

But: we have all been saying the same thing over and over, so I think it’s time to bow out. Talk to a counselor and get some advice there.

Good luck.

It’s what this thread was about. I’ll never get to experience young adulthood, college and fraternity life. The people who did pretty much all agree that this is the creme de la creme of life.

Except for a short depressive period when I was 15, my life was pretty great before I graduated high school. If I had a good college experience I would be a happy person.

That’s what I’m working on. But that only goes so far – I’ll never be able to go back in time and do life right.

Things would certainly be a lot better if I achieved my goal of being a famous filmmaker, but according to the responses in here the gaping hole in my heart from missing college life will remain there forever.

You’re placing way too much value on a college experience that you’ve created in your own mind. Where did you get the idea that everyone who was in a frat agrees that it’s the “creme Dell creme of life”?

It doesn’t sound like you missed college life. It sounds like you attended a residential college and got a degree. According to the NCES, about 20 million students were in college in 2010. More than 40% of them were part-time. So there are literally millions of people your age who didn’t get to have even as much college experience as you had. And those numbers don’t include the millions who directly entered the workforce.

Missing that part of the college experience causes a “gaping hole in your heart”? A lot of people work their way through college and have no time for a social life at all. I think it would help to see a counselor to understand why you place such enormous value on the college experience. You need perspective.

Yes, you already did. You weren’t in a coma for10 years and missing out on life because of a medical condition. You did your life and got a degree but you didn’t like what you got.

Please go see a counselor. You need to find out why you are unsatisfied with your life.

You’re fixated and holding onto something your father got to experience. A number of students don’t do Frat and sorority life; does that mean they ruined their lives too?
What happens if this FRAT boy life doesn’t work out for you either? Are you going to continue to repeat school to try to grab onto something that you believe to be the end all cure all?

You need to see a counselor.

Just wanted to thank everyone who has stuck with this thread. I realize in that trying to figure out the best course forward I can seem stubborn and like I’m not listening, but I’m taking things into account.

But this is a depression caused by a loss. I had real depression before and have taken Zoloft for over a decade.

Not sure why the thread became fixated on that movie – it only gives a part of the picture. As much as I so badly want the fraternity experience, plenty of people who never joined Greek life still had an amazing time in college – and college grads are not a tiny fraction. There’s a reason that college being the best time of your life is considered common knowledge. And I blew it and can never get it back, from what it sounds like.

Even if you don’t see them much later, for the years it lasts it’s still an incredible experience according to those who go through it. I’d find it quite interesting to speak with him.

Thanks for the perspective and well wishes.


It’s an extremely common trope that “college is the best time of your life”. There are websites like TFM dedicated to how amazing being in college (especially a fraternity) is. Everything my dad told me about his chapters as well as my observations during college, seems to all lead to the same conclusion. But even without that, people pay thousands to join these organizations and go through pledging for a reason. And even most people who never joined frats loved college.

That’s not “life” though, it’s just going through the motions. I didn’t get to do the college experience that is practically worshipped in our culture. I just walked through it like a zombie.

The reason I place such value on it is because virtually everyone who actually gets the experience does the same. When there are films, TV shows and entire websites dedicated to how great it is, I have a hard time believing it’s all a big hoax.

I’m sorry, but what? If being denied a bid by a fraternity was the turning point of your “life going down the drain”, I strongly suggest you do some volunteer work and speak to people your age who have been through life-threatening illnesses, have been homeless, disabled, or whose parents died before they could even see them graduate high school. I don’t know the ins and outs of your personal life or what you’ve been through, but if the worst thing you’ve ever experienced is being denied a fraternity bid, your life is not down the drain. You will be okay. Don’t complain about things that are meaningless.

Nobody is saying that you’re screwed. In fact, I would say most people are saying you have a big life ahead of you that is full of more important things than being in a fraternity. I feel for you, I really do. I didn’t have a fantastic college experience either. But I took it for what it was and I’m excited about my life as an adult. I’m involved with groups of people who have similar interests to me who are also grown adults out of college and working towards their careers, their marriages, their families, their friends, etc. You need to find the same. What kinds of things are you interested in? Film, and what else? Consider taking classes at a rec center. Join a church. Join a movie watching/making club. Join a dating app. Get an internship. Apply for a program to volunteer abroad. Volunteer in your hometown. Whatever floats your boat, and ANYTHING you can do to find community with MATURE adults who share interests with you, do it. You need it.

Most likely not. Because it’s not about what you want to hear, it’s about what you need to hear.

Just because you say it doesn’t mean it’s true. People also say their wedding day is the happiest day of their life. People who believe either statement are setting unrealistic expectations and are bound to be disappointed.

It’s not worshipped by our culture. It’s worshipped by you, but whatever’s going on in your life wasn’t caused by not being in a frat and it won’t be fixed by spending thousands and thousands of dollars for the opportunity to join one.

Nowhere did I say I had the worst life in the world. Pretty much everyone alive in a first world country today has a better living standard than 99% of humans in history, but that doesn’t invalidate our own problems.

It’s not the act of being denied a bid, it’s the fact that that was the first domino in me wasting my life. If I got in there, I would have had an amazing young adulthood and have something worth looking back on the last decade.

But then haven’t I heard it all ITT?

It’s people looking back though who experienced it.

We have tons of websites and movies dedicated to the glory of the college experience, frats in particular. If I had been in a fraternity or just enjoyed college in general I wouldn’t have wasted my young adulthood and wouldn’t be making this thread.

Maybe it’s time to retire this thread. Thanks for the input though, a lot to think about.

How was getting a college degree a waste of your young adulthood? The college experience portrayed in the media isn’t the experience most people have. I think it’s a mistake to waste your late 20’s/early 30’s trying to be 19 again. Why not go to grad school? You’d still be at college getting a college experience, and you might even be able to work as a TA. And you’d come out with an advanced degree.

I’m not sure what the point of continuing this thread is. The OP has been given the same advice over and over. See a counselor. Move forward, not backwards. Get involved in age-appropriate activities. Take courses that will further your career. Stop obsessing over undergraduate fraternity life. He doesn’t seem to be internalizing any of it.

@SeekingHope, I wish you the best.

What are you doing right now about film? Film is one industrty that does not require a degree. As a matter of fact most people in film think a degree is a waste of time. What matters is the work that you have done. Do you live near LA? Do you have film side projects going on? Can you get a part-time job as a production assistant on a local TV station or movie set? You really should be focusing on your career change not on living in a frat.

Your life isn’t permanently ruined at the age of 28.
I’ll repeat that, because it’s important that you understand this, acknowledge it, and try to move forward: Your life is not permanently ruined at the age of 28.

If you were prepared to spend thousands of dollars going back to college and joining a frat, you’ll get a better return of investment by getting counseling. I’m not being snarky. I genuinely mean that you should seek counseling. I feel that your issue is nothing to do with wanting to relive youth, but rather, learning how to move forward and make the most out of the life you have yet to live. Best of luck to you.

ETA: FWIW, my college experience was traditional in no way. Six years of commuter college. I had fun with work colleagues and by traveling. I didn’t have the “best four years” nonsense either. The best years of my life so far we’re probably in my early to mid 40’s, but life is still good.

You’re here. You exist. You might as well be happy. Go find happiness now, not in the past.

Please seek really good therapy. It’s nothing like taking an antidepressant or getting feedback from a bunch of parents on a message board. I say that as someone whose therapy totally changed my life. Yes, it cost a lot of money (and I know how fortunate I am to have been able to pay for it) but certainly nowhere near what 4 years of college costs.

Here’s my son’s experience with a frat. He’s 50/50 on his experience.

He just graduated from college, and we moved him out of his frat. Towards the end he hated the late night parties, yelling, screaming , puking, and lack of focus by some kids. He’s slightly hard to get along with as he’s very black/white with his opinions. He thought a frat would be inclusive, and different from HS, but really, it still was filled with groups/cliques and the cool kids that he never was part of, partly just because of who he inherently IS.

It’s ok, he has a few friends, a degree, a good job offer and some memories. But it truly wasn’t the "experience " he envisioned as a HS kid. His favorite part of college: finding a new hobby. Woodworking. He found a place on campus that let him use all sorts of tools and he made all kinds of things.

Accept who you are, find things you like to do, and move forward. You can do this! There are so many things to do out there that are better than trying to re-live a "college experience. " I wish you the best.

You need help seeing what is evident to all of us. Your perspective is off and I think your mind is lying to you. If you are taking medication now, share with your doctor what we have been saying. No one is trying to be negative to you or squash you making a change for your future. No one has a time machine. This is about your future and you can always change that. Step one is to check ability to measure the present.

@SeekingHope, this thread IS about positivity. People are urging you to be positive about who you are today (as flawed as you, and every other human being is) and who you can become. You are seeking hope. Hope is about opportunities available RIGHT NOW and following them into the future. You may think of yourself as a loss, but beautiful works of art are created from loving the wreckage of one’s life and emerging from that wreckage by embracing WHAT IS! You can be that work of art.

What is sad and hopeless is fixating on a cliché and destroying your life trying to become that cliché. No matter how your dad idealized it to you, college frat boy life is a limited, rather silly thing…like a small cocoon. You are a caterpillar who is just too large for that particular crysallis now. Your dad and those movies are wrong. There is NO universal best time of life for everyone. It can be a poignant time of change, but not fun or fullfilling or transcendent like you seem to think it is for everyone. Some people may be ridiculously happy in college but struggle later. (Honestly, I think it’s sad to reach your peak in college). Others are miserable in college and bloom as young professionals or maybe later, in middle age or even later. I imagine most people are mixed, with fewer extremes: some great days and many hard or boring ones throughout life.

But I do think life is generally happiest when it’s allowed to flow…to be itself…whatever that is…learning and growing from that flow and loving all the unexpected, ephemeral moments that pass by, sparking happiness. . Trying to fit oneself into a cliché, whether it’s “College is the best time of life” or “My wedding day will be the best day of my life” or whatever, just adds miserable pressure and turns life into a fake performance. It forces you to constantly examine yourself from the outside “Am I the picture of a person living the perfect life I’m supposed to be living” instead of experiencing life on the inside. I find it ironic that you keep repeating that you never got to EXPERIENCE your college years or your life ever sense your college “failure”. Could it be that you’re so desperate to fit yourself into a stereotype of what you THINK you should be that you leave yourself no opportunity to genuinely experience anything ? I think you’re trying to play a role. No wonder your life feels hollow! Free yourself! Your dad may have had great college years…but your life doesn’t have to follow the same pattern to be an equally great life for YOU. THAT’S hope.

You say that losing the bid for the fraternity started the domino effect of failure that continued into the present. You know what I think? The failure wasn’t not getting the bid. The failure was your DECISION that not getting the bid was a, horrible thing that would ruin your life. So it did. Because that’s what you decided. To a great extent, your life is a story of your own making, just as a film you create will be a story of your own making. You frame the story, you edit the film and you decide if the story is to be a tragedy or a comedy, whether the character will be a victim or a phoenix rising from the ashes. You decide.

I agree that you should shake loose a bit, regress, get out of yourself and get out of your bubble. Try to get back some of what you feel you lost…but don’t attempt the impossible with 18-year-old kids. The healthy ones will sense something amiss and avoid you because…you’re not 18-22. Instead travel, like someone said, backpack through Europe. Do volunteer work abroad or somewhere new in the U.S. Hike the Appalachian Trail. Lean to sail or ski or dance. Go whitewater rafting. Take yoga or kickboxing. There are a gazillion things that American young adults do before settling down. If you need to, hang out with people younger than you to reclaim your lost youth, do so…but with 24-year-old, not 19. Have fun, be safe, but live. Fitting into some rigid, stereotyped role is not living. YOU decide who you are, by living it every day.

“He who binds to himself a joy Does the winged life destroy; But he who kisses the joy as it flies Lives in eternity’s sun rise” - William Blake

@SeekingHope , I’m sorry if you feel invalidated or misunderstood because of the reactions you’ve received here. There is a lot of nuance to work through in sorting all of this out. IMHO, most of the wisdom that’s worth gaining in life comes from the understanding that two truths that seem to be in conflict are, in fact, both true; and in fact one cannot arrive at a complete understanding without acknowledging both truths and navigating the tension between them.

What I mean by this, in your specific situation, is that your feelings aren’t wrong, but the challenges to your perspective that people have offered here aren’t wrong either. The path through this is to arrive at the understanding that can only be gained by working through the way in which those perspectives collide.

What is true is that you are missing something that you need and value in your life, something that you wish you had gained earlier through your college experience.

What is not true is the way in which you have inextricably linked that missing element, in your mind, with an extremely specific vision of an experience you missed out on. (A vision based on the reminiscences of someone in a different generation, such that his exact experience does not exist today, in addition to the fact that it’s been idealized in his memory before being passed on to you.) If you can’t deconstruct this fixation, you are on a path to a life in which nothing good that comes to you will ever measure up to the fictional dream in your mind.

I know a person who had a choice between two top-20 universities. He chose the one he thought was the best fit, but soon reached the conclusion that the other would have been better. He proceeded to spend four years at the school he chose, and several years since, complaining at every turn about how this misstep has ruined his life. Mind you, he will never know whether he really would have been happier at School B. It is entirely possible that in that alternate universe, he would still have spent his life catastrophizing about having missed out on School A. He will never know, and neither will anybody else… but what is clear to everone but him is that he has reached the point of poisoning his own experience with his commitment to negativity. He has lost many friendships because people just can’t take the constant complaining for which there is no solution. Every time a friendship falls apart, he sees it as further evidence that his peers at School A are just terrible people and everything would have been different at School B. Thus, his unhappiness has evolved into a dystopian self-fulfilling prophecy of epic proportions. He has had a top-notch education and has a good job, excellent grad school prospects, and a bright future by any objective measure, but he can’t let go of the Road Not Taken and seems determined to be miserable. So many friends have tried to talk him down and the attempt just ends up blowing up the friendship and being added to the litany of “See what terrible people go to School A?”

The above situation is different from yours, and yet it isn’t. You are 28, with your whole life ahead of you. You have a choice between making something of the timeline you are actually living in, or remaining stuck in your refusal to let go of an alternate universe that is not your life. Sure, you can try to jump the tracks and insert yourself into that alternate universe. But here’s the problem - you have so built up what you wanted and expected from that universe that even if you get there, it will not live up to those expectations. It can’t. You have a huge unmet need in your life, and you’re imagining that a particular school, a particular fraternity filled with particular people, will fill that hole like the perfect puzzle piece snapping into place. That doesn’t exist, though. People and institutions will disappoint you. In fact, the very intensity of your unhappiness and your need and your expectations will end up tanking the relationships and the “brotherhood” of which you dream.

That doesn’t mean that there is no hope. What it means is that you need to take your perspective on what you need to a higher level of abstraction. Not, “My life will only be worthwhile if I become part of a fraternity,” but, “I have a deep need for a level of human connectedness that I haven’t experienced yet.” There are many ways to get there, but if you don’t let go of the excessively-specific dream, you will end up rejecting the very opportunities that could make you happy, because they don’t, on the surface, match the dream. Plus, this level of focus on meeting such a specific, long-denied need takes up so much emotional space that you won’t be able to be your best self and enter new situations with openness to what you can give to others - and being able to offer your own gifts and positive energy is an essential component of the connectedness that you’re looking for.

The bottom line is this; if you can’t let go of the dream, your misery will poison the well of every new situation, and you will always feel as if it was the wrong situation when it was really the poison you brought to it that made it wrong. If you can let go of the dream and make a fresh start on building a positive future, the letting-go will open up the space for whatever is next in your life to surprise you by becoming the dream, and giving you what you are seeking in ways that you can’t currently imagine.

Does that mean that you shouldn’t go back to college? Not necessarily… but no decision you make from a distorted mindset, with unrealistic expectations, is going to work out well. For the sake of your future happiness, you really must do the work of adjusting your perspective and your expectations first. Letting go hurts, but not as much as the rest of your life is going to hurt if you don’t work through the pain of letting go first. It’s hard, but there is unlimited potential on the other side.

Really, there are so many possibilities. If you have saved up enough money to go back for another whole undergrad degree in film, what else might you do with that money? What values are important to you? Maybe you could find a project you believe in, somewhere/anywhere in the world, that would welcome you as a self-funded team member dedicated to filming and documenting the work they are doing? There’s no brotherhood/bond like that of a common purpose and shared vision.

That’s just one random brainstorm - YMMV - but my point is that there are many roads to take in life. We all have roads not taken - but no good comes from remaining stuck on those when there are so many on which we can go forward.