<p>"since I don't think you should doctor other people's quotes."</p>
<p>:/ It wasn't doctoring, it was necessary for the quote to make sense.</p>
<p>"it appeared that as a group they represented Caucasian, African-American, and Asian races. Was that an accident? I’d bet the farm that it wasn’t (whether anyone at the network would admit to that is a different story). All of those races watch the show."</p>
<p>So it couldn't possibly have been because the black guy and the Asian chick were actually more qualified? That's incredibly insulting to both. And apparently Hispanics don't watch the Today show. </p>
<p>"The show IS successful, and if the numbers didn't support those choices they wouldn't have done it intentionally."</p>
<p>Why does that in anyway support that the show is popular because it includes a black guy and an Asian chick?</p>
<p>"Often it is because a conscious decision was made in hiring, or even before that on campuses (which effects the pool of applicants for jobs)."</p>
<p>Proof, please. Are you saying that without a conscious decision, diversity wouldn't occur because white people are more suited for the job in comparison to minorities?</p>
<p>"Intentionally. Without positive or negative discrimination, and with malice toward none. Due solely to market forces (with adcoms and hiring managers doing what they need to do to meet market demand)."</p>
<p>No matter how many times you say it, by favoring one group, all the others automatically are disadvantaged.</p>
<p>"No one is giving them a preference or extra points."</p>
<p>Yes, they are, if it is a "conscious decision."</p>
<p>"Companies want to sell more product. Colleges want companies to hire their graduates. They need to have a student body which meets the needs of those companies."</p>
<p>So racism is allowed if it is more profitable?</p>
<p>"Statistically, the majority of URM's do not have a level playing field. Colleges know that on average these kids have had to overcome more obstacles to achieve."</p>
<p>Statistics and averages don't matter when it comes to individuals. So the majority of a race is poor, does that mean anything to the rich kid? And then with all your talk of averages and statistics, you say:</p>
<p>"They do look carefully at individuals"</p>
<p>So then why should averages matter, at all?</p>
<p>"I don’t believe that rich URM’s are in particularly high demand"</p>
<p>I believe that URMs are in high demand and that colleges could care less whether that URM is rich or poor if it makes the college look more "diverse" from the outside.</p>
<p>"If URM’s are capable of doing the work, and graduation statistics posted here on CC show they are, then that proves there was something amiss in the college prep process (it wasn’t a level playing field)."</p>
<p>Actually, no it doesn't, if anything, it supports the fact that they weren't terribly disadvantaged to begin with, that or that the amount of college prep doesn't matter in the end. Also, those stats you were talking about only mention the grad. rate, and not what the GPAs were.</p>
<p>"Throughout the admissions process, adcoms are making multiple adjustments for the playing field. Why get your knickers all tied in a knot over this one issue?"</p>
<p>Because I don't believe that race, in and of itself says anything about an uneven playing field.</p>
<p>"Caucasian farm boys from lackluster schools in Iowa often perform higher than their stats predict as well."</p>
<p>I wouldn't disagree with this because of the fact that he went to a "lackluster school", white or farm boy, or Iowa, doesn't matter at all.</p>
<p>"Why not get mad at that football player who stole your little genius’ spot at Harvard?" </p>
<p>I actually support athlete's recruitments to some extent because they contribute to the campus more than just making it LOOK more diverse and "proportional".</p>
<p>"Sometimes I wonder if it is because some Caucasians are really mad that something was taken away from them (power guaranteed by race) when laws changed to protect minorities from discrimination."</p>
<p>I'm not white, and I support laws that protect minorities from discrimination, however, I do NOT support something which favors one race over another. </p>
<p>"I also question if those same people use that anger to fuel faux indignation at reverse discrimination, even when reverse discrimination clearly isn’t happening."</p>
<p>"faux indignation"? "clearly isn't happening?" Find some proof before you make those claims.</p>
<p>"You know, it is a little known fact that Hitler's army was really extremely diverse. There were men who could play the accordian, some who could chug a stein of beer at a a record pace, those who could eat more than a hundred brats at sitting, etc."</p>
<p>Godwin's Law :rolleyes:</p>