@juillet can you change the title to HBCU, which is more common and would help with future searches.
@toomanyteens you may want to check out the Howard University forum, and do a search for “white”. There are several links for white students at Howard. I will say, just like with PWIs, some HBCUs are better than others for academics, so definitely do your research.
My child at Howard says the White kids there do just fine.
These rankings are a pretty good indicator in my opinion, of course, ymmv
About two months ago I found a thought-provoking article just at the time that I began looking into HBCUs for my D’17. The article speaks to the benefits of the HBCU for the Black student, and upholds a strident support for the strength of the overall cultural and educational aspects of attending an HBCU, with historical outcomes posited as a reminder not to discount HBCUs because of how they fare in the ‘ranking’ game. (I like what @juillet has stated here for us about considering how we look at readiness to enter college.)
I was not necessarily swayed, but definitely more assured, that there is a reason and rationale for the continued existence of these schools, and that they represent (for the African-American) what may be the only true necessary niche in the world of post-secondary education.
For the intelligent, driven, though-not-necessarily-high-placing standardized test student, being surrounded by those who affirm your basic existence, worthiness and the very idea of your aspirations (because one is surrounded by those for whom your presence is affirming the same) can be what keeps the fuel in your engine.
Great link @Waiting2exhale . The author addressed some of the concerns we have heard time and again, Early on in our search, D and I attended a panel in which HBCU grads talked about the same things, with the same come backs. Since that time, we’ve met so many successful grads and current “satisfied customers” from so many HBCU’s I can’t help but think they are very often seen from the wrong lens entirely.
@CCDD14 amazingly not really! But that is not to say there are not other opportunities with merit scholarship. Eastern CT State U is one of them where the coach is very interested. It is pretty well ranked as far as regional public universities. It would be more than 0 but not a bad net cost for us. We are looking at other options too. A few D2 schools so there is a lot in play. DSU was her first offer and likely being D1 her best financially. The ACT is helping a lot!
You should really understand where your your daughter stands regarding need-based financial aid before jumping to the conclusion that athletic/merit aid is the best option. There are around 60 meet full need schools. http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/2015/09/14/colleges-that-report-meeting-full-financial-need
They look for bright students and have a low acceptance rate but maybe Lax can get your daughter in.
What is her un-weighted GPA? Did she take any SATII tests? Does she like academic challenges?
How good a Lax player your daughter is?
Please run the NPC on Princeton and Amherst finaid websites to see where you stand. If you do not qualify for enough aid at these 2 schools which are the most generous then this idea is dead. If you like what their NPC shows you then you can explore further. I would suggest you create a new thread at CC Finaid forum to ask further questions.
Princeton finished the year ranked #17 in women’s lax, Del State was #110 out of 111 teams. Not exactly the same level of play. Amherst finished at #9 in D3 (out of 273).
Academics have to be outstanding to get into schools like Princeton and Amherst, but so do athletics if using them as a hook.
Back when I was in high school, the racial/ethnic mix of colleges (mostly the in-state public universities and community college that were on the radar) was not a significant consideration for me or other non-white students. But then pretty much all of them had mostly white undergraduates back then (most no longer have that situation today).
Not sure if that is “emerging”. Even decades ago, the CB/ETS noted that SAT reasoning scores were not as strong a predictor of college performance as HS GPA was. Some universities years ago found that other tests like AP and SAT subject tests were better predictors than the SAT reasoning and ACT tests. But the power of incumbency (versus other tests), and the role of the SAT reasoning and ACT tests as common measures across widely varying high schools, has entrenched the position of the SAT reasoning and ACT tests in college admissions. Indeed, many posters seem to judge colleges’ selectivity levels and students primarily by their SAT reasoning and/or ACT score ranges, probably because these tests are the only easily available common measures.
@twoinanddone EXACTLY!! not to mention that the ship has way sailed for being recruited for one of those schools. Also, I have 3 in college now and I know what we get for those students and I assure you it isn’t significant. She wants to play and I have done the NPC for all the feasible programs - there are these (very low ranked D1) – a few fairly well ranked D2s (like in the 20s) and even some mid ranked D3s-- we honestly targeted based on affordability
Are the 3 in college attending full-need college’s from the links above? At most colleges that don’t meet need having 2,3,4 in college wouldn’t matter - they don’t meet need so it’d level doesn’t change. However at meet-need colleges each additional child in college decreases how much you’re expected to pay.
Unless you make 250k+ with 3 or 4 in college you’d get significant financial aid.
No they are not- but between me and my husbands business we do fairly well on paper. That said, we are on our second marriage and got killed financially just a few years ago from our divorces so our ability to pay right now is seriously compromised. And this one student is very adamant she wants to play lacrosse.
Is she interested in engineering? Embry-Riddle in Florida is adding a team for 2017-18 in Div 2. With an ACT of 30, she’d get a nice merit scholarship and probably a good athletic one too. @CourtneyThurston has posted all women get a sizable scholarship at E-R. It will be joining a tough conference (Florida southern won national championship this year, Rollins is highly ranked) but could be a great opportunity for lots of playing time. My daughter is very happy with her choice to play for a new team as she gets lots of playing time. I don’t think they’ve hired a coach yet but contact the athletic director.
There are several other schools adding programs, but not all will be easy to get into. ASU already has 30 or so recruits so all will not be getting full scholaships. New programs at Eastern Carolina (div 1); Embry Riddle, Palm Beach Atlantic, Quincy, Mars Hill (Div or NAIA);Averett, Earlham, Juniata (Div 3).
Embry-Riddle tends not to be that great with merit aid in general, but I believe athletes get a lot more consideration (from what I’ve heard from student-athlete friends). So it may be worth a shot.
I got the following with a 4.0 and 2100 SAT (old SAT):
Presidential Scholarship ($90,800) - awarded from your admissions app
Women of Excellence Scholarship ($20,000) - awarded from your admissions app
FIRST Robotics Scholarship ($12,000) - requires a separate application
Alumni Endorsement Grant ($4,000) - gotta know an alumni
Campus Travel Grant ($250) - must visit the campus
Usually the presidential scholarship is capped at around $18k/yr for the highest qualified applicants, but they matched an in-state scholarship they had (I was not in-state) because they wanted to steal me from a T1 university (it worked). So, if you’re a good enough student or athlete and you know people/get to know people, Riddle will pull for you.
^^ athletes get the ‘gotta know an alum’ grant. My daughter does at Florida Tech as does everyone on her team. Also gets a $1000/yr grant for having visited the campus (again, almost all domestic students do because it makes no sense to give up $4000 for not taking a weekend trip to the school).
Embry-Riddle offers degrees in business, communication, psychology. It also has my favorite “design your own degree” degree. Some engineers like art and music too. Would you suggest a student not go to MIT if she didn’t want to major in math?
My daughter attends a similar STEM school about an hour south of Daytona, and while most of the school is engineering or other STEM majors, there are quite a few in psychology, communications and business. The business courses tend to be STEM oriented too (airport management, construction) but still teach the fundamentals. My daughter’s boyfriend was in construction management, which is actually in the engineering school, but is now getting his MBA through the business school.
STEM schools aren’t for everyone. I wouldn’t have picked one, nor would it be a good choice for my other daughter, but for the one who attends one, and plays lacrosse, it’s worked well.
Just want to put in a plug for Earlham. D’s friend is a rising senior there and cannot say enough about it. She got significant FA (though not an athlete), finds the academics challenging and interesting, She’s had multiple opportunities for international study and travel, and is getting good advice as she plans for graduate school. It was a “parent’s choice” school for her, and not her first choice, but the money made it her final choice. She doesn’t regret it at all.
^^Earlham is D3, so there is no athletic aid, it’s all merit or need based. It may be a good opportunity for a lacrosse player to be a starter and team leader because the team is just starting.
OP is thinking outside the box because her daughter wants to play lacrosse. I just threw out those with new teams as perhaps offering a different opportunity (and Del State is a fairly new program too). The teams are a little smaller so there might be more money to split or more playing time or ability to be the captain as a freshman. A D1 team, if fully funded, has 12 scholarships to split. Del State only had 15 players this year, so lots of money to give out (if fully funded). A big program may be splitting 12 scholarships among 35 players, and often the freshmen get less.
There are quite a few schools adding women’s lax, across all divisions. There really are a lot of opportunities at the lower (team rank) D1, almost all D2, and D3 schools where either the athletic fit is good and stats are high or at least very good. For top academics and top ranked D3 teams (Middlebury, Amherst, Gettysburg ) you really have to have it all. Go outside the northeast or mid-Atlantic schools, things loosen up a little. Alabama-Huntsville (D2) had a pretty good first year team this year.