Going to CSUN as an out of stater

Paying for College
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<p>No, I will not get instate blue. I have already explained this numerous times because I have been claimed as a dependent on my mothers tax returns for more than 3 years. Read the rules when applying to CSU’s. Even if I worked and wasn’t a dependent for my mother anymore it wouldn’t matter because of number 8 in their rules which you can read on their website.</p>

<p>I already asked about doing that one year thing and then I read up on the site. It will not work and the CSU’s and UC’s have become more strict on people trying to get instate costs. Even if you’re a resident you will still be paying out of state costs for probably your whole 4 years.</p>

<p>Guess what skater mom you really think your words must hurt people or you’re the more intelligent answerer on this thread because you’re a senior member (who cares) and that you’re older. Guess what that doesn’t mean anything at all. I already knew that I couldn’t take a parent plus loan out by myself. Again who said I do not have any experience. I have worked at places waiting and I’ve been on my school dance team since 6th grade with experience. So please try to speak again. I know I already made up my mind and stop getting all mad over someone else’s dream. My dream isn’t to attend CSUN but my dream is to live where I’m suppose to be and with people who have been in my life for years. The only reason I do not plan to live with them is because they aren’t right next to the school and as of this moment I do not have a car.</p>

<p>There are many clubs in Van Nuy’s ect. that I could work at. I do not care if the club isn’t the best, as long as I am making my money I’m fine with that. I have already looked at numerous clubs and called some. They told me I would be able to come in whenever I wanted and to apply. They said they’re always looking for new employees.</p>

<p>The thing is I will have the money to pay for the school it’s just I will have so many big loans after I graduate. I am not asking whether I will be able to pay for this school, I was just worried whether it’s worth having so many loans after. Yet, the thing I was planning on doing is take out the loans. Get a job and save that money for the debt. My mother/father said they would send me money for my other needs. I will not be claimed as a dependent anymore and the school will have no need to know that they still give me some money.</p>

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<p>You’ve been advised taking out huge amounts of loans to go to school in California is ill advised yet you still seem intent on doing so. Please don’t be so hostile to those trying to give you the advice you asked for.</p>

<p>Regardless of your parents not claiming you on their taxes you will still be considered a dependant for financial aid purposes and yes you do have to tell the schools about any money your parents give you.</p>

<p>If you choose to go through with your plan and are caught either not paying income taxes on your full income or not declaring what your parents are giving you for financial aid purposes please remember you were warned of the consequences.</p>

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<p>I’m not talking about money that would be used for paying for school. I’m talking about money for personal use. It’s not as if they need to know who’s paying for my groceries and that’s how it’s going to remain. If that’s the way I have to gain residency and instate then that’s how it’s going to be. Guess what I don’t care that you considered what I said hostile I’m tired of people trying to tell me something when I’ve told them that is wrong/can’t happen. I’m tired of people who choose to post a response judging me when they don’t know ****. So I’m pretty much done with this thread. </p>

<p>And I already know my parents not claiming me would still consider me a dependent. Duh, if you read through everything I made that point clear but if I live over here in California and my parents still don’t mark me down then after three years I can get instate.</p>

<p>I know taking out big loans would be a bad idea I already know that. The thing is I WILL have a job that will allow me to pay off the loans but I just won’t have all the money to pay exactly at the date need and that’s why I would have the loans.</p>

<p>Also I NEVER said I was definitely going to CSUN, I’m just looking at all my options. So stop trying to prevent me from going to a school. This is my life and my choice to make. Guess what everyone needs to realize here and that many people don’t is that we only have one life to live. We will never get another chance to do this again. So making crazy choices like this are worth it if they’re going to make you happy. I do not want to throw away my dreams/goals because someone said I couldn’t do it or because it’s kind of a crazy idea. I do not want to die knowing I never lived for what I wanted. So what if I end up not being able to pay off the loans and what not in the end. Really debt won’t matter when your in heaven nor will all the objects you have. Only memories will matter. See some don’t realize that and you only think in black and white but I do not.</p>

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<p>I think you should consolidate these, maybe on the California Colleges forum.
[California</a> Colleges - College Confidential](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/california-colleges/]California”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/california-colleges/)
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1082884-how-can-i-obtain-residency-college.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1082884-how-can-i-obtain-residency-college.html&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1082659-ive-been-accepted-csun-but-really-need-help.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1082659-ive-been-accepted-csun-but-really-need-help.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>XX, it certainly was not my intention to hurt your feelings, nor do I think that I’m the “most intelligent” poster on this thread…far from it! But, if you read enough posts on this forum, you’ll find that the regulars here are a pretty law-abiding bunch and we always advise young people to stick to the straight and narrow. My attitude is this…there are enough ways for trouble to find you without having to go look for it. Yes, I am much older and more experienced than you. Like the other posters here, I am simply trying to lend you the benefit of that experience by telling you that it’s just not worth the risk. If you choose to ignore that advice, that’s okay with me…I have no dog in this fight at all and I’m not “mad” about it! </p>

<p>The reason I said you have no experience is because you’re 17 and I was referring to bar/nightclub experience. Afaik, no state allows minors to serve alcohol. I was a waitress in a nightclub (live music, but no stippers) for one summer during my college years and it was nothing like waiting tables at a restaurant. I was told that it was a lucrative job but I found that I had to deal with drunk, obnoxious, grabby people and the tips actually weren’t as great as you might think (drinkers like to spend their money on booze and you’ll be competing for the money they want to give to the strippers). If a customer left without paying, refused to pay, or knocked the drink/tray out of my hand then I had to pay the bartender out of my own pocket. I quit as soon as I found a different job and made far more money on dinner checks at a nice restaurant where I didn’t have to deal with all the garbage. My neighbor’s 18-yo D worked as a bartender/waitress at a nice golf course last summer and got huge tips - often - hundreds of dollars a day - without being exposed to the underside of society. So, there are ways to make money in a nice, safe, legal job that your mom won’t have to be losing sleep over.</p>

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<p>Let me try this one last time and then I’ll give up. It will not matter if your mother claims you as a dependent forever. (Well it will bcos the IRS will come knocking at her door for filing a fraudulent return, but that has nothing to do with your tuition status.) </p>

<p>The law governing residence for tuition purposes at the California State University is California Education Code sections 68000-68084, 68120-68134, and 89705-89707.5, and California Code of Regulations, Title 5, sections 41900-41916.</p>

<p>“…establishing California residence for tuition purposes requires a combination of physical presence and intent to remain indefinitely. An adult who, at least one full year prior to the residence determination date for the term in which enrollment is contemplated, has been both physically present in the state and has evidence of intent to remain in California indefinitely, may establish California residence for tuition purposes. …
Evidence demonstrating intent… the absence of residential ties to any other state, California voter registration and voting in California elections, maintaining California registration and driver’s license, maintaining active California bank accounts, filing California income tax returns, owning residential property or occupying or renting an apartment where permanent belongings are kept…”</p>

<p>Thus you have to be 18+ (aka adult) be living and working for one year in California and have the intent remain here permanently. That is all. No where in the law or regs does it require you to produce your mother’s tax return. Indeed, if you are financially independent for one+ year, your mother’s tax status is irrelevant for tuition purposes (and I believe fafsa, for that matter). </p>

<p>Suggest you seek tax counsel when you arrive, or call the Cal State system office in Long Beach.</p>

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<p>I think xxthisonesforyou has a realistic idea of the regulations, bluebayou. She has referenced point 8 (being claimed as a dependent on anyone’s taxes in the past 3 years) in the linked document from CSUN as the only evidence that she’s concerned about meeting in order to be eligible for a waiver of non-resident tuition at CSUN. She doesn’t seem concerned about point 3:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.csun.edu/anr/forms/res_questionnare.pdf[/url]”>http://www.csun.edu/anr/forms/res_questionnare.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>But three years won’t/can’t matter vballmom. Point 8 is just one point “evidence” of residency. </p>

<p>Once the OP gets a job, she will be considered financially independent, and her mother will not be able to claim her. Once she lives instate for 12+ months and is financially independent for all of that time, her mother’s tax return will have zero impact on residency for tuition purposes. Zero. (She cannot be held to what her mother does or not do on her own tax return.) The OP will have multiple points on which to appeal her residency status, which WILL be granted. (IMO, the OP just doesn’t want to wait a year for the cheaper tuition.)</p>

<p>btw: the State form and process is almost foolish. My D, born and raised in Calif, graduated HS in California, but is attending a college OOS. When she signed up for a summer ‘fun’ class at the local juco, they tried to charge her OOS fees bcos she was living out of the state for more than six months a year, i.e., to attend college. It took a phone call to the head of Counseling to override the ‘system.’</p>

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<p>Definitely not independent for FAFSA purposes…and those rules are very clear cut!</p>

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<p>Hold on though quick question, does that mean if you’re not a Califonia resident and plan on going to a CSU school, you can’t receive any financial aid (excluding loans) execpt for federal aid?</p>

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<p>What kind of FA are you asking about? You won’t receive any CA state aid as that’s only for residents. You can receive Pell, work study, Stafford loans, etc. and the school may award you scholarships/grants from their own funds if they want to (depends on their policies and whether those funds are available).</p>

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<p>Yeah that’s what I was asking about, like I know I can’t receive like a call grant but do you know if the CSU’S give other financial aid, like California state grants.</p>

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<p>Isn’t Cal grant THE California State Grant?</p>

<p>Here is CSU mentor’s financial aid page
[CSUMentor</a> - Financial Aid](<a href=“Cal State Apply | CSU”>Cal State Apply | CSU)</p>

<p>CSUN
<a href=“http://www.csun.edu/finaid/[/url]”>http://www.csun.edu/finaid/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Grants.
“Califonia State Grants are for California residents only”
<a href=“http://www.csun.edu/finaid/grants.html[/url]”>http://www.csun.edu/finaid/grants.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Barbie, IIRC, Kender is almost an expert on CA state grants and you can click on her screen name and search her past posts for the excellent explanations she’s provided on these forums. Calgrants are CA state grants and, no, you won’t get any CA state aid as a non-resident. Schools can’t distribute state aid to whomever they like, the student has to apply directly to the state agency and be approved for the grant, which is then awarded by the school.</p>

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<p>Thank you vball for explaining what I was trying to say to blue. CSU’s and UC’s are letting more out of state people in so they can GAIN money from them. That’s why in these economic times they’ve made it even harder for out of staters to get instate for their schools. Even though I do plan to live in California after college it does not matter to them. </p>

<p>Right now my final decision is that most likely I am going to stay in a instate school for one or two years to get my general education requirements done and then I will transfer out. At that point of time I probably would be transferring to a better California school than CSUN. Yet, it would still kind of suck that I would have to pay out of state. So tonight I am going to look into Santa Monica College and actually see if that would be a good idea…then I could build residency and then transfer to a UC school or maybe USC or CSULB. Then maybe by the time I transfer I will have instate for tuition costs. Since most likely the three years issue will not even be in the mix.</p>

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<p>I think that is a very smart and responsible decision <em>hugs</em></p>

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<p>RE: anecdotal evidence on attaining residency status. My DDs roommate at a UC was born in CA and her Dad lived there, but she lived with her Mom and graduated from HS in another state. She was never able to become a resident for tuition purposes.</p>

<p>Another family friend was born in CA and her Dad stayed in CA, but her mom moved OOS with her. She attended a CSU with the plan to become a resident. She is back in her home state now, she was unable to make it happen and it cost too much.</p>

<p>Each situation is different, there are some ways to move and become a resident, UCs are different than CSUs in their rules. Pursue all the details of the school you choose.</p>

<p>I attended a CSU, it was perfectly fine. It was actually a ‘better’ ranked one based on common talk in CA, but it was still a commuter school. I got a decent education, but wanted better for my kids. I should have applied to a UC, but had lousy advising. Personally I would not pay OOS tuition for either a CSU or even a UC, unless there were some really odd circumstances why that is best. Barbie, I would choose the private, either APU or USC over any CSU, if the prices are similar. I would not and could not and did not pay $50k+ for USC, my DD had to attend UC for financial reasons. in hindsight, that was still the right financial decision based on our family’s numbers, but if you have some big grant that can make the pricing comparable, go to the private.</p>

<p>I had not been following this thread, just clicked on it and I am surprised at what seems like snotty attitudes in responding to posters. Most of the adults posting here have knowledge and experience, they have usually gone to university, put their kids through, and helped others IRL and on CC. They have no vested interest in talking you out of your dream, nor will your taking crazy loans affect them. They are not trying to be a downer, they are trying to give all all ya’ll a reality check.</p>

<p>If you do pursue an expensive educational dream, be sure you are clear on everything that can go wrong, be sure you compare the options in an apples to apples way and make an informed decision knowing the down sides, not a hopeful one, thinking only of the good.</p>

<p>We have all seen people have to deal with poor choices and only want to help you not make an uninformed choice.</p>

<p>On the finaid board you are not going to see any old timer telling people to work for cash or lie on the FAFSA. Yes, people do those things, but it is not smart, most people get caught one way or another. I have a friend on SS-DIS, she gets a pittance, why? Because she worked under the table most of her life and has hardly paid in anything, she gets the bare minimum and knows people who get more than her, as they paid in more! There are many consequences to illegal or unethical behaviour.</p>

<p>No one here is going to support stripping to put yourself through school nor working under the table nor hiding money in your mattress and lying on FAFSA.</p>

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<p>@xxthisonesforyou Why the hell would you wanna go to CSUN? My friend went went there for 2 weeks and left due to all the rude people and the atmosphere there.</p>

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<p>RE: anecdotal evidence on attaining residency status. My DDs roommate at a UC was born in CA and her Dad lived there, but she lived with her Mom and graduated from HS in another state. She was never able to become a resident for tuition purposes.</p>

<p>Another family friend was born in CA and her Dad stayed in CA, but her mom moved OOS with her. She attended a CSU with the plan to become a resident. She is back in her home state now, she was unable to make it happen and it cost too much.</p>

<p>Each situation is different, there are some ways to move and become a resident, UCs are different than CSUs in their rules. Pursue all the details of the school you choose.</p>

<p>I attended a CSU, it was perfectly fine. It was actually a ‘better’ ranked one based on common talk in CA, but it was still a commuter school. I got a decent education, but wanted better for my kids. I should have applied to a UC, but had lousy advising. Personally I would not pay OOS tuition for either a CSU or even a UC, unless there were some really odd circumstances why that is best. Barbie, I would choose the private, either APU or USC over any CSU, if the prices are similar. I would not and could not and did not pay $50k+ for USC, my DD had to attend UC for financial reasons. in hindsight, that was still the right financial decision based on our family’s numbers, but if you have some big grant that can make the pricing comparable, go to the private.</p>

<p>That does not mean there is anything wrong with a CSU, but it is not the dream college experience, most people at a CSU are working and fewer are involved in campus activities. Your program may be perfect, your cohort may be different…YMMV</p>

<p>I had not been following this thread, just clicked on it and I am surprised at what seems like snotty attitudes in responding to posters. Most of the adults posting here have knowledge and experience, they have usually gone to university, put their kids through, and helped others IRL and on CC. They have no vested interest in talking you out of your dream, nor will your taking crazy loans affect them. They are not trying to be a downer, they are trying to give all all ya’ll a reality check.</p>

<p>If you do pursue an expensive educational dream, be sure you are clear on everything that can go wrong, be sure you compare the options in an apples to apples way and make an informed decision knowing the down sides, not a hopeful one, thinking only of the good.</p>

<p>We have all seen people have to deal with poor choices and only want to help you not make an uninformed choice.</p>

<p>On the finaid board you are not going to see any old timer telling people to work for cash or lie on the FAFSA. Yes, people do those things, but it is not smart, most people get caught one way or another. I have a friend on SS-DIS, she gets a pittance, why? Because she worked under the table most of her life and has hardly paid in anything, she gets the bare minimum and knows people who get more than her, as they paid in more! There are many consequences to illegal or unethical behaviour.</p>

<p>No one here is going to support stripping to put yourself through school nor working under the table nor hiding money in your mattress and lying on FAFSA.</p>

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<p>Wow I already said my final decision before somemom posted. Read it. I have said my reasons about going to CSUN throughout this whole thread and I’m not going to repeat myself again. And somemom if you want to talk about snotty attitude then don’t post here because obviously you have not read everything. I’ve already decided what I’m going to do and I believe so has Barbie so really we don’t need more members coming in here posting on something that has already been discussed and been finished awhile ago.</p>

<p>I’ve talked to Barbie in private messages and I’ve talked to senior and junior members in private messages who actually were respectful and helped me without saying DON’T DO IT BLAH BLAH BLAH. I know all of that it’s just I wanted to see another side but I’ve decided I don’t need to anymore. I know what I’m going to do and I know how I’m going to do it. I’ve already spoken to my father and mother about this. I may sound rude but this is only after people decide to not read things, judge as if they know me or my story and hearing the same thing over and over again.</p>

<p>The reason I was asking if I should go to this school is because I wasn’t sure if I would ever be accepted into another Cal school because there are only 2 percent out of staters and what if it was just my luck this time that I got in? Mainly because of a lot of the budget cuts ect. That’s basically why I didn’t want to just throw out this opportunity. I also wanted to go there so I would have a job around the area and then be able to transfer to a school such as USC or another private school. CSUN would only be a stepping stone in me living out in southern california. I really do not feel like explaining the whole story again because it gets tiring/annoying once you do it so many times.</p>

<p>@imsohungry I also want to add that maybe your friend just didn’t fit in well at the school. There are many people who love it and there are kids who don’t. I’ve already talked to a lot of kids who go there or who will be and they seem nice. It’s not hard for me to talk and get to know people ect. I am also not going to CSUN for the college feel any way because I know it is a commuter school. I have friends who already live out in Southern California and I will most likely be hanging out with them. Where ever I go there will always be rude people but it’s life.</p>