Good English/writing schools NOT in the middle of nowhere?

23, female, looking to transfer this fall.

I’m strugging to find colleges for excellent English/writing students that aren’t in the middle of nowhere. (So far I’m aiming for Emory, Agnes Scott and Wesleyan.) Being a transfer can be isolating enough as it is, plus I prefer the excitement of an active environment. It’s so unfortunate that Oberlin, Kenyon, etc. are in the boonies!

About me: Dean’s list student, 3.93 GPA/4.0, editor/writer for a top student journal, published research paper + one poem, freelance writer; strong volunteer EC’s, 3.98/4.0 high school GPA; great recommendations

Goals: enter the publishing industry, write for a magazine, etc.

Ideal location/requirements: test score optional (my scores were average…); a warmer climate would be nice, but it’s not a must-have; currently in PA and not liking it, so I’d leave if possible.

Many thanks to anyone who can help!

If you’re completely sure about English and writing, take a look at Emerson College in Boston.

Emerson College, Boston University, Bryn Mawr College, and Vassar College all have great writing programs.

@warblersrule I’m 100% sure. Did you attend Emerson or know of anyone who attended? Also, if you’ve been to the Boston area, what do you think of it?

Actually, I was considering Emerson, but I got a bit thrown off by the fact that they offer what basically looks like a stand up comedy major. Hopefully this doesn’t sound snobbish, but it made me question how seriously Emerson takes academics.

@beligr129 I’m also curious if you’ve known anyone who went to school in Boston (BU, Emerson)?

Boston is an amazing college town. There are so many colleges in the area, so you can even mingle with people at other campuses. I’ve only heard great things about going to school in Boston, and am even considering Boston University and Northeastern myself.

Hunter College, the New School, Columbia U, Brown, Washington U in St. Louis, BU, UC Irvine, Emerson, NYU, Northwestern, U Michigan, Vanderbilt, Wesleyan, all are good for writing.

Boston is an amazing college town.

Cost constraints? State of residency?

How about Northwestern University? Here’s a list of alums. You can scroll down to those in journalism. It’s just north of Chicago, also a great city. And Evanston has a nice little downtown area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Northwestern_University_alumni#Journalism

Fordham has an English major with a creative writing concentration or a creative writing minor.

@ucbalumnus PA resident but not happy in PA. I’d prefer to stick to the East coast so I can move without having to pay to transport my car. Hoping to get scholarships and good aid so a school in the high 30Ks is fine…low-to-mid 30Ks is even more ideal. (And I will be living off campus so room&board won’t be included.)

@TTG the one thing that kept me from applying to NW is I do not have great test scores for a school of that caliber. With an SAT of about 1550 out of 2200 (I took the test years ago), I figured it was pointless?

Would Pennsylvania publics in cities (Pittsburgh, Temple) be affordable and suitable?

http://www.english.pitt.edu/undergraduate/course-descriptions
http://bulletin.temple.edu/courses/eng/

@ucbalumnus It’s funny you mention that - I’m transferring out of Temple because it is terrible! I highly recommend no PA resident make the mistake I did of choosing such an awful school.

Also, I noted that I am not happy in PA…looking to leave.

What is terrible about Temple, so that others can take your preferences into account when suggesting other schools?

Re Northwestern, generally schools say the farther you are from high school, the less they take high school grades and test scores into consideration. If you’ve proved you can can excel in college, then that data become irrelevant. Not sure about NW specifically.

Have you looked at Iowa? Although they are really known for their creative writing MFA, I believe that they are trying to push this down to the undergraduate level.

@TTG That’s a good point. Maybe it wouldn’t hurt for me to apply and see what happens. I’m leaning toward being a nontraditional student anyway; it has been almost six years since I graduated high school. My current GPA is almost a 4.0, so I would hope even a school like NW would take that more seriously.

@Eeyore123 I’ve also heard amazing things about Iowa’s MFA program for creative writing. (For anyone else who’s curious, I checked and they don’t have a BA in creative writing, only English with a CW emphasis.)

@ucbalumnus There are so many things I can share about my Temple U. nightmare! Where to begin…

For one, campus police/safety are a joke. The first week of classes, a girl was murdered and her body was put inside a storage bin. What’s unsettling was - according to news - campus police was in her murderer’s apartment and did not notice the blood on the walls, hence why it took so long for the murderer to be arrested. Be prepared to show your student ID in every building you walk into (and also get shouted at by rude workers if you forget to take it out) because the campus is surrounded by crime.

If you wander even one block off campus toward the subway, people will come bother you for money to buy heroin. The surrounding streets are dirty and off campus housing is expensive yet ridiculously rundown. On campus housing is also a joke - the apartments are overpriced holes and there’s a lot of weed and partying. It’s a well known fact that there’s a place called ‘Narnia’ (I wish I were joking) where students all smoke together on campus. Parking in garages isn’t cheap, but preferable to local lots and having your car keyed by hoodrats (me).

Main campus isn’t big enough for everyone. Before enrolling, I didn’t realize that walking to and from classes every day meant having to dodge people constantly and get bumped into. Think NYC, but inject more unorganized chaos since idiots constantly skateboard around and almost slam into people…many students complain of this. The library is constantly packed, the computer labs are overflowing, etc.

The big problem is academics, or lack thereof. For one, I can’t remember a single class where a student was actually excited to learn. More than a few students acted like they were half asleep, some texted, and some never talked - or if they did talk, it was whispering in the back of the room. It felt VERY ‘high school.’ By the final 4 weeks of the semester, three students disappeared in one of my electives. I guess they just didn’t care anymore? It doesn’t help that most of the professors at this school are ALL over the place. Some are acceptable while others are bored adjuncts or outdated and unfriendly (welcome to the science department).

There’s a reason that Temple gets a C/77 academic rating from the PR. It’s not a strong school academically and let’s face it, you get what you pay for. Their tours fool you into thinking the school is a strong knit school with great opportunities for all, but they neglect to tell you that half the students don’t take it seriously and it’s IMPOSSIBLE to schedule classes at normal times. Getting the right class feels like entering the drawing for the lotto and many core classes are only held at 8 a.m.

I’ll probably post this on another forum just to share my honest experience. Truth be told, this isn’t even everything I had an issue with. I went to another school prior to TU and never had anything like this happen.

You should be able to find at least one affordable, urban school from among those mentioned in these articles:

The 10 Best American Colleges for Writers | USA TODAY College
http://college.usatoday.com/the-10-best-american-colleges-for-writers/

The 10 Best Colleges for Creative Writers | The Freelancer
http://contently.net/2014/11/06/resources/10-best-colleges-creative-writers/

The 25 Most Literary Colleges in America | Flavorwire
http://flavorwire.com/409437/the-25-most-literary-colleges-in-america

Writing in the Disciplines | U.S. News
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/writing-programs