<p>The end of your post says it all:</p>
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anything to make it into medical school.
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<p>Still haven't learned your lesson, it looks like.</p>
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The worst that can happen is that medschools find out that you cheated by personally contacting your school on how you got the F. In that case, they reject you.
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<p>No, the worst that can happen is for your medical school to find out years after they admit you. They then revoke your diploma after you've invested $300,000 and several years in medical training. Possible legal action for fraud -- since applications will explicitly ask for disciplinary action and explanations of any failing grades -- will follow.</p>
<p>I believe BRM tells a story of a fourth-year at his school who failed to submit a transcript for summer courses at a community college. If that kid could get kicked out -- no refunds, obviously -- then what are they going to do to a kid who covered up a cheating incident?</p>
<p>agree with student14x. i guess i took not telling for lying, but it seems to be the better option.</p>
<p>Not telling when you are explicitly and repeatedly asked is indeed lying.</p>
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Am I suggesting that you lie? No. I'm suggesting that you don't tell. That isn't lying.
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<p>Most secondaries will ask if you've been subject to disciplinary action by your school for academic reasons. You won't be able to apply to med school w/o lying (if you decide not to disclose the incident).</p>
<p>what are the chances of a medical school actually checking a student's record after they have been attending the school for a few years? plus, if it isn't on his record then where is there any proof? also, there would probably be an appeal process, right?</p>
<p>The chances of being found out may be small, but the consequences are overwhelmingly severe. The medical school can revoke your admission or your diploma at any time - now, in two years, in ten years, in twenty years. Would you want to be a practicing physician and then have your diploma revoked?</p>
<p>The chances that the Dean, shocked at this student's admission, will call and inform them is low but not remote. The chances that other students will sabotage him* is low. The chances that he will let it slip while talking to his classmates is low. Add them up (actually multiple the 1-p's), and you get something pretty substantial. In any case it's moot, since the OP hasn't told how this will show up. The proof will be his medical school calling his Dean of Students and asking about the situation. The appeal process doesn't help if the decision is correct in the first place.</p>
<p>The chance that his premedical advising letters will mention it is actually pretty high, if Davis does that sort of thing, although of course that's pre-admission.</p>
<p>(*This happened to a Duke undergrad who had falsified some EC's and been admitted to Duke Med. His admission was revoked and he did not go to medical school.)</p>
<p>molsol: It is a small world. You would be surprised at how much we hear from other sources (including cc). If lie, no way (and you could be prosecuted due to your signing truth statement - if it is a state school)</p>
<p>Also, I would not want you cutting on someone when I know you have cheated once, maybe you cheated on final exam in med school.</p>
<p>Your only chance is:
Go to a foreign med school where all they care about is the $$. Once you have the MD, you are home. There are several very highly resected docs, both academic and privated, who did not make it into us schools..</p>
<p>Other option is do research with a heavy from a med school. Tell him/her your problem and maybe with his help........</p>
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Do you know why they cut the R hand of the theif off? And perhaps it is a good punishment. They don't theive again.</p>
<p>And yes, that is why most schools will not only expell the one cheating, but anyone who knew he was cheating and did not tell.</p>
<p>well, whatever. i still adhere to my belief of always being able to beat the system. in any case, i'm glad i'm not this kid.</p>
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well, whatever. i still adhere to my belief of always being able to beat the system. in any case, i'm glad i'm not this kid.
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You've cheated several times before, too, haven't you? ;)</p>
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Your only chance is:
Go to a foreign med school where all they care about is the $$. Once you have the MD, you are home. There are several very highly respected docs, both academic and private, who did not make it into us schools.
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<p>U.S. born FMG's undergo greater scrutiny than AMG's or even foreign born FMG's. Residency programs and practice groups always want to know why someone went to a foreign medical school instead of a U.S. medical school.</p>
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Do you know why they cut the R hand of the theif off? And perhaps it is a good punishment. They don't theive again.
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<p>Yes. Why not. And while we're at it, we can kill off all the music pirates, delinquents, and prison inmates. Heck, we can even enforce eugenics on certain minority groups to lower crime rates. After all, anything to prevent future crimes right? </p>
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Not telling when you are explicitly and repeatedly asked is indeed lying.
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<p>I stand corrected. However, I'm still certain that rejecting the student simply because he cheated is too harsh.</p>
<p>Don't fret. House cheated, and look at him now! He's a roaring success and a friggin' bad*rear* to boot.</p>
<p>We don't yet know what the exact infraction was. At the low end, it's possible that the OP studied off of an old test when warned by a professor not to do so. At the high end, he could potentially have hacked into a database and been running a change-grades-for-money scheme. Any discussion of fair/unfair/harsh/lenient really depends on the exact details.</p>
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You've cheated several times before, too, haven't you?
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<p>when you're as smart as me you don't need to cheat.</p>
<p>"when you're as smart as me you don't need to cheat."</p>
<p>The correct sentence is "When you're as smart as I, you don't need to cheat." ;)</p>
<p>i decided against correct grammar at the risk of sounding like a d-bag.</p>
<p>Oh, don't worry. The correct grammar wouldn't have changed that, and you would have had the added bonus of an internally coherent and self-supporting thought.</p>