<p>i guess proper grammar is the new black.</p>
<p>Yes, it is.</p>
<p>From The American Heritage® Book of English Usage.
A Practical and Authoritative Guide to Contemporary English. 1996</p>
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[quote]
Personal pronouns after as.<br>
Your mother is just as proud as me, said the father to the child with good grades. But should he have said, Your mother is just as proud as I? As with similar constructions using than, there is a traditional rule stating that the pronoun following as
as
constructions must be in the nominative case, demonstrated by the fact that She is just as proud as I is really a truncated version of the sentence She is just as proud as I am. Another way to put it would be to say that the second as functions as a conjunction, not as a preposition, in these sentences. Whatever the merits of this logic, the as me construction is very common in speech and appears regularly in the writing of highly respected writers. Moreover, you can argue that the second as is really a preposition in these constructions and demands the objective case. And there is the objection that as I constructions are overly formal, even pretentious. In short, both constructions are defensible and both are subject to attack. When you want to play it safe, use the as I construction, but throw in the verb to make it a clause: She is just as proud as I am.
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§</a> 52. pronouns, personal. 1. Grammar. The American Heritage Book of English Usage. 1996</p>
<p>^ In response to the above:</p>
<p>Even if highly respected writers use it, it still remains more grammatically correct to use "as I." The argument that it is a truncated form of "as I [verb] basically sums up the reason that it is more correct. It follows directly from the Latin, which demands that the two objects being compared (which they are) take the same case. "It's pretentious" is not a valid argument.</p>
<p>Careful reading of the American Heritage reference will reveal a single reference to a traditional rule; that rule supports the nominative case.</p>
<p>The hypothetical argument presented by American Heritage is that "as" here functions as a preposition and so requires the objective case. Neither common usage nor lack of pretentiousness is presented as an argument for the objective case.</p>
<p>The AH reference does conclude that both constructions are defensible and both are subject to attack, but does not explicitly comment on the grammatical correctness of either construction.</p>
<p>Of course, correctness, grammatical or otherwise, does not admit of degrees :).</p>
<p>Silly, read the end!</p>
<p>"And there is the objection that as I constructions are overly formal, even pretentious."</p>
<p>It's not a linguistic argument, but it is an argument against taking "I," which in turn is an argument against the objective case. </p>
<p>The argument that it is a preposition is not as valid as the argument that follows directly from the traditional construction. In addition, there is the other (most valid) reason that we are implying "...am smart" in the sentence, which dictates the nominative case. It seems a bit too "magical" to have both "me" and "I" be correct when only one would be acceptable would we write out the complete though.</p>
<p>This is silly.
In fact, I do support the nominative case -- although I also share MolSysBio concern voiced in post #39.</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity...</p>
<p>A good friend of mine got caught giving someone answers on a quiz. He was placed on academic probation, but I think he won't have the incident on his transcript when he applies and rather received a letter grade reduction on his final grade (giving him a B-). What would happen in this case?</p>
<p>BTW, I just dropped pre-med myself, so I'm done lurking in this part of the forum.</p>
<p>What this really comes down to is the institutional reporting of the incident. In the case above with a letter grade lowered and no mark on the transcript, the student may still have to explain the B-. In that case, if explicitly asked, obviously the truth should come out. The student could likely to point to the lack of further action (as a more significant form of academic dishonesty would have warranted more severe action) as evidence of the overall small impact. Such a situation is less likely to impact one's admission.</p>
<p>Obviously failing a class...that's a much bigger deal, even if the actual infraction wasn't as grossly "wrong" as someone at another institution who got away with only a letter grade drop. I'm absolutely positive that some schools with honor codes and the like have failed students for very minor incidents...knowing that those consequences exist and still choosing to go along with the cheating, that represents a serious flaw in judgment (another factor that goes into the medical school admissions decision).</p>
<p>As far as what BDM alluded to...not quite what I know personally happened to a kid who had been in my class. He was dismissed after the first week of the M1 year, because he had failed to take a course my school required for admission after telling the admissions office that he would take it during the spring semester (I think it was biochem, which my school is one of the few that requires it). As I understand it he then tried to bargain with them, claiming that his MCAT score clearly showed he was capable. There was a rumor (don't know if it's true) that he then offered to make his continued enrollment dependent on his passing the biochem class during the first semester of medical school. Ultimately though, his dismissal was based entirely on the ethical grounds that he lied to the admissions committee. That was by far the more egregious infraction.</p>
<p>The honor code at most schools is absolute. There is no second chance. There is no "little cheating" (like only a little pregnant).</p>
<p>Hey guys!</p>
<p>I have somewhat different situation…I had a take home quiz and I completed it by myself and without breaking the rules of the quiz. Next day, before the quiz was due a friend of mine asked me about one question from the quiz. I told him my idea of how to solve the problem without showing my quiz. Of course he used my explanation and put it on his quiz and my professor got the connection and I got reported to Dean’s Office. I didn’t get a penalty on the quiz as I did it without receiving help and will still get A in the class. I also talked to the Dean and he told me that they don’t put this information on the transcript, but rather use it to check if the person was reported before. They also inform schools if they call and ask about it. Should I worry about my chances of getting into a med school? Do you guys have any suggestions for me? Thanks in advance for your help!</p>
<p>I would like to add 2 more questions to the above:</p>
<p>1) Should I put that incident on my AMCAS application and explain it? </p>
<p>2) If yes, will that drastically lower my chances of getting into med school?</p>
<p>Arsl</p>
<p>Just wanted to give a tinge of hope to all those out there who have made judgment errors, and also to give a little slap in the face to all those who are on their high horses who have given vindictive answers to this question. I am in a similar situation, having made a mistake in a time of stress and violated academic honesty, but I grew from my mistake and became stronger. I wrote about this incident in my AMCAS in a straightforward, wholehearted way, and I explained how valuable this lesson will be for a career in medicine. I have gotten quite a few interviews, including some from top 20 schools. I’m going to my first one soon and I’m prepared to talk about this in a mature way. So all of you who are unforgiving of a mistake like this who thinks that it’s going to prevent me from a career in medicine, I’m out to prove to you that you’re wrong. So don’t lose hope. I still believe that anything is possible with earnest dedication.</p>