<p>Add to the fact that eliminating affirmative action in law schools wouldn’t even increase the amount of Whites and Asians to begin with by any substantial amount, but would only decrease tremendously the amount of Blacks and Hispanics.</p>
<p>@LazyKid is there really a big difference between a 164 and 174? Or what about a 176 and a 172 even? A 10 or 4 point difference seems absurd to me, but maybe it’s because I’m so used to the SAT, where a 10 or even 50 point difference may be considered negligible.</p>
<p>Cortana, the difference between a 164 and 174 on the LSAT is like the difference between a 2190 and a 2320 on the SAT. Interestingly, I’d say it’s easier to get a 2320 on the SAT then a 164 on the LSAT.</p>
What exactly is this based off? That’s quite the exaggeration. A 1900 is 88th percentile for the SAT yet a 164 if 92nd percentile for the LSAT, which is most similar to a ~2000 score. If you continue following the percentile similarities, then a 174 (~99.2 percentile) is the same as a 2200 (lowest 99 percentile for the SAT). A 200 point difference. Similar to the 130 point difference I stated earlier.</p>
<p>1900 on SAT is about 89 percentile of all test takers. Likewise, a 164 on LSAT is about 89 percentile of all test takers.</p>
<p>On the other hand, 174 on LSAT is 99.5 percentile of all test takers. 2300 on SAT is above 99 percentile of all test takers.</p>
<p>Hence, comparing a 164 on LSAT vs 174 on LSAT is similar to comparing 1900 on SAT vs 2300 on SAT.</p>
<p>And, admissions officers at top law schools view 164 on LSAT from blacks and hispanics, with same weight as a white applicant with 174 LSAT. This is ridiculous, and I am frankly amazed how the wide the discrepancy really is.</p>
<p>Actually, the difference between 164 vs 174 on LSAT is WIDER compared to difference between 1900 vs 2300 on SAT.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Simple. SAT test takers are bunch of high school students, many of whom are required to take the test even if they don’t plan to attend college at all.</p>
<p>In contrast, LSAT test takers are those with a college diploma, and those who are specifically interested in attending law school. As a result, the caliber of students, as a whole, of the LSAT test takers is of higher quality than the aggregate caliber of students among SAT takers.</p>
<p>What that means is that it is tougher to be 99 percentile of LSAT, compared to 99 percentile of SAT. (due to different caliber of competition)</p>
<p>For those who defend Cornell’s admissions policy by saying SAT score isn’t really all that important, or SAT doesn’t really measure one’s academic potential the best, check out:</p>
<p>“Frey and Detterman (2003) analyzed the correlation of SAT scores with intelligence test scores.[20] They found SAT scores to be highly correlated with general mental ability, or g (r=.82 in their sample). The correlation between SAT scores and scores on the Raven’s Advanced Progressive Matrices was .483 (.72 corrected for restricted range). They concluded that the SAT is primarily a test of g. Beaujean and colleagues (2006) have reached similar conclusions.”</p>
<p>So, does it make sense that Cornell is ignoring horrible SAT scores of those bunches of community college transfers, while defending their policy with this load of BS, such as ‘any person, any study’ or ‘we admit students based on fit and we employ holistic admissions standards’.</p>
<p>Sadly, Cornell’s motto ‘Any person, any study’ is being abused. Cornell admissions officers should NOT confuse ‘Any person, ANY study’ with “EVERY person, EVERY study”. Those two are DIFFERENT.</p>
This is exactly my point. We’re going LSAT -> SAT, not SAT -> LSAT. Hence why a 164 on the LSAT would equate to more than simply a 1900 on the SAT.</p>
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Tens of transfers coming from community colleges and 4 year universities, oh the horror.</p>
<p>I’m liking this analogy between the Ivy League and Brittany Spears better and better since the motivation is the same (maybe not for everyone, but enough people, apparently, to hijack a thread) and the whining is VERY similar.</p>
<p>cortana - it would be very likely that other need based schools would be off the table for you now. Not to say you would try to game the system, but Ivies and other similar institutions share their ED lists.</p>
<p>^ What do you mean? That I will be automatically rejected because I legitimately applied ED and legitimately withdrawed because of the financial aid package, which was stipulated in the letter from cornell that I would be released from the contract if the financial aid isn’t enough? I also applied to columbia carnegie mellon, rensselaer and suny buffalo, although Columbia and CMU are probably out anyway because they wouldnt give me any more aid than cornell did if i did get in.</p>
<p>What I am trying to say is that if you didn’t qualify for FA at Cornell, it would be very unlikely if you would be eligible for FA at most of those need based schools. If that’s the case, you couldn’t really accept an offer from Columbia with 0 aid and turn down Cornell with 0 aid. I think because of that, no other Ivies(or top tier schools) would accept you because you have already been accepted by Cornell.</p>
<p>If there is still time, you should apply to some next tier down schools which would offer you merit aid.</p>
<p>Yeah, as i said I applied also to SUNY buffalo, which my parents definitely can afford, and rensselaer where my parents could pull it off because of the $15,000 medal.</p>
<p>You are a lucky girl Cortana…I am frankly appalled that any highschool would agree to give out the only Rensslaer medal to a kid who applied ED to Cornell. Did you make it clear to your councelor that you really wanted to attend Rensslaer? If you did that how could a councelor agree to send ED information to Cornell? I just can’t understand such gross disregard to another student who would have been thrilled to of had that money to attend their number one choice. If all of this is exactly as you say I really hope that Cornell does not look at another kid from your school for a long time to come. People just don’t apply ED on a hope and a prayer that money will miraculously appear from the financial aid fairy. I have also never heard of any kid applying to other Ivy’s when they have applied ED to an IVY. You will never receive an acceptance from Columbia simply because you applied to Cornell. Carnegie Mellon will never beat a financial aid offer from Cornell. </p>
<p>It looks like you are headed to Suny Buffalo because Rensselaer should not be accepting someone who applied ED to another school who failed to withdraw their application. The whole situation does not smell right and yes you are either trying to game the system or you never received an acceptance letter from Cornell. I of course have no proof of that but the whole thing just seems odd.</p>
<p>You are the first student who has posted on this thread who clearly has shown such disregard for Cornell and ED process. I am really annoyed that Rensselaer could offer anything to you when you clearly wanted another school as evident in your early decision. That is money that should have been given to anyone else. You have mentioned that your father works as a GC and I wonder if he is working in your HS.</p>
<p>@momma-three - I think you are being a little harsh here. I have been reading the thread and you have made some pretty strong accusations. I had no idea what the RPI medal was, so I looked it up. Here is the info from RPI’s scholarship page: </p>
<p>“The Medal was first presented in 1916 with two purposes: to recognize the superlative academic achievement of young men and women, and to motivate students toward careers in science, engineering, and technology. It is awarded to promising secondary school juniors who have distinguished themselves in mathematics and science. Responsibility for selecting the Rensselaer Medalist belongs to faculty and staff within the participating secondary school.”</p>
<p>So it sounds like cortana431 was selected for this JUNIOR year before making the decision to apply to Cornell ED. </p>
<p>My D applied ED to Cornell and was accepted. She also applied to many other schools and was allowed to do so because none of the other schools were SCEA. So by the time her Cornell decision came in and even after withdrawing all other applications she was still being accepted at other schools. It is allowed. Actually, a person would be crazy not to have completed other applications and submitted them. At least on Dec. 8th when decisions came out if she hadn’t been accepted to Cornell we knew she was accepted at some other great schools with significant merit money.</p>
<p>Regarding expecting financial aid from Cornell, in my experience their Net Price Calculator is off. For us it was off a significant amount. So it could very well be that Cortana was expecting some financial aid (enough to make Cornell possible) after going through the Net Price Calculator. </p>
<p>Give the kid a break. She can’t go to her first choice school. Most of the other schools on her list are no longer possible due to cost, I think she is just venting.</p>