<p>Im hoping to get recruited to some ivy league schools such as upenn, columbia and brown and I was wondering what the range of scores and grades are for recruited athletes? How much do ivy league schools lower their standards for athletes? Do athletics help in the admissions process and how much can the coach advocate for you?</p>
<p>What year are you and what sport do you play? Have coaches at a broad swath of colleges contacted you?</p>
<p>Start by searching “Academic Index” - tons of info on academics and athletics for Ivy athletes</p>
<p>OP, your first 2 questions are difficult to answer for a number of reasons. General rule - you have to challenge yourself in High School taking honors and AP/IB courses and you need to strive for at least 25 percentile for admitted students on your tests. Can you get in with the scores below that? You sure can. There is an absolute academic floor AI=176 but beyond that there are no rules. How each school calculates AI is a mystery too. You have to become athletically qualified and then initiate dialog with the coaches of your schools of interest. They will let you know where you stand or where you need to be.</p>
<p>You 3rd question has pretty simple answer. Each Ivy team is allocated a number of guaranteed slots (Likely Letters) per year. If you are offered one of these slots by the coach then you are in with roughly 95% probability (my wild guesstimation). Rest assured that before getting the LL offer your athletics, academics and personal qualities will be scrutinized.</p>
<p>I hate to ask this, but how good are you? Every year kids want to recruited by school Ivy/Big/SEC etc…and for some reason they think that only scores/activities drive the process and talent level is secondary. I’ll say this I had a coach from Yale ask about my D at an NCAA Championship in her sport and I had to look at that coach and say seriously I don’t think she’d be the right fit. We we submitted scores that got her accepted at Yale and denied at Northwestern…but Northwestern has way more participants in her sport than Yale had…so take that for what it’s worth.</p>
<p>Hi! Thanks so much for replying!</p>
<p>Im a nationally ranked diver (I’ve placed top 6 nationally) and I’m also a part of the USA diving junior national team. I’ve been committed to this sport ever since 3rd grade and a lot of my time is devoted to it. Im just really worried about grades, especially my gpa. oh and Im a junior this year. So far my gpa is about 3.4 unweighted and I’m taking the hardest courses offered in my school except for math (I’m in honors). My school doesn’t offer AP’s for juniors so we have intensive and accelerated classes which are basically AP level, and I’m taking those. Im also involved in many clubs and I also am on my high schools varsity swim and dive team. My ACT composite score is 30 but I plan on taking that again. And I just took an SAT subject test, but I’m waiting on that result. I’ve already talked to the columbia coach which is my goal school and he said he wants to recruit me…but them again, I’m afraid my grades aren’t good enough. So I’m just wondering what my chances are right now, and if my grades are similar to other recruited athletes! Thanks so much!!! </p>
<p>And i just recently found out that many of his divers will be graduating, so he will need divers</p>
<p>Since you are in contact with the Columbia coach, why don’t you email him an unofficial copy of your transcript as of end of sophomore year, and a list of courses for this year and ask his opinion? You can get an idea of where you stand now and what you have to achieve by end of year. The coach will have the best idea of how your scores and GPA would be viewed by Admissions.</p>
<p>I don’t know about diving but two ivys have indicated to my S that 3.6 is the GPA admissions likes to see. Even if you are a good enough athlete you will be on the border line at best with a 3.4. And I have not seen any ivy pre-read taking into account where you went to high school. A rigorous curriculum is expected no matter what. A 30 ACT is good enough with the right grades. So try to get your GPA up this year.</p>
<p>OP, your chances look very good - you just need to increase your GPA a bit. Do not waste time on SATIIs unless you aim for Columbia engineering (or Harvard/Princeton), cut your clubs and high school sports to a manageable minimum and concentrate on your GPA and diving. Competing for your school should help you with school references but do not spread yourself thin - make sure you can do home work every day. Retake ACT in a few month. 30 should be fine but everyone improve scores on the second attempt. Take a few timed tests from the Real ACT book before next try. Continue dialog with the coach - did he ask you for test results and transcript yet?</p>
<p>I agree with everything suggested. In addition, I’d like to suggest you reach out to more schools; Ivys and non-Ivys. If Columbia is your dream school, great, However it is in your best interest to make contact and begin conversations with many other coaches. This gives you more exposure, and may put you in a better position in the future. If coaches know there is a strong demand for you among other coaches, they are more inclined to take action.</p>
<p>If the Columbia coach has told you he wants to recruit you that gives you a pretty good idea you are looking at the right type of school athletically and academically to start your recruiting process. However be forewarned, Ivy coaches tell many would-be-recruits the same thing. So, as the old saying goes “cast a wide net” to give yourself many options is the tried and true advice.</p>
<p>You’ve mentioned Penn, Columbia and Brown so that would seem to indicate you like colleges in cities. Try to have an open mind on the various schools, coaches, locations, academic programs, etc… You should have many options. Good luck.</p>
<p>@CCDD14 The coach has just asked for my test scores so far so I plan on sending him my ACT and SAT subject test scores to him once the results come back…I’m assuming ill get a 700+ on the SAT subject test.</p>
<p>And so far junior year has been going good, Im getting mostly A’s and A-'s and two B+'s. Im also interested in NYU, Boston College, Washington University in St.Louis, Tufts and Georgetown and Im in the process of contacting them as well! However I should probably think of some safety schools as well. </p>
<p>So I’m assuming based on everyone’s responses that Im in a pretty good position right now with athletics and test scores, I just have to really raise my GPA and focus on schoolwork. </p>
<p>Thanks again for the encouragement and tips! Now I know where I roughly stand:)</p>
<p>I don’t know much about diving, but in rowing, the schools you list would be reasonable for your stats–not reaches given your athletic stats. You may find (as my kid did) that your safeties won’t spend a lot of time talking to you because the coaches will figure that that you’ll be recruited within a higher band of school</p>
<p>Get a 32+ ACT score and a near 4.0 unweighted GPA.</p>
<p>Op, SteelTrap is incorrect. </p>
<p>For Columbia the team average AI used to be 210 and should be a little less for Brown and Penn. An unweighted GPA of 3.4 and an ACT of 30 would give you a AI of 205. If you can raise your ACT 2 points to a 32 then your AI would be 213 which would be well in range. I would strive for all As this year but your best chance for raising your AI would be to increase your test scores. SAT II scores can only help but do not hurt your AI scores so I would take these as well.</p>
<p>Columbia apparently did not recruit any divers this year so one would assume that the Columbia coach would be very interested. I would try to schedule an unofficial visit with all three Ivies you mentioned this year. Casting a wide net during your junior year is good advice but I would only contact schools that you are interested in attending. If your continue to progress athletically and can raise your test scores then I would think that you would generate strong interest from all the school you listed.</p>
<p>Just to clarify: when I said your current stats were a good match, I was referring to that second list of schools, not the Ivies.</p>
<p>If money is an issue I would contact HYP too.
As OP places 6th at a National maybe he can get a spot at Columbia with the AI below the team average? I would not rely on us for the answer but would ask the coach.</p>
<p>I know a kid that has offers from Brown,Columbia and Cornell with a 3.8GPA and 28 ACT. He plays football though
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<p>I suggest using the AI calculator from Tier One, mentioned on several Academic index posts. You will be surprised. We’ll know in a year whether the predictions that my son is just under the top category and way above the minimum for Ivy League student athletes relates to getting a spot, but he is being recruited heavily by one non-HYP Ivy and we are getting him in touch with others.</p>
<p>I have heard that targeting HYP is a good idea, even if the Ivy of choice is not one of the three.</p>
<p>DS was offered a likely letter from Brown, which he turned down. He was in the top ten nationally in his sport, and his weighted GPA is 4.7, SAT was 2190, and he has taken a strong public school STEM curriculum (& don’t forget four years of a foreign language.) Many, many kids in DS’ sport want to get into Brown but the Coach is hamstrung by the need for really good grades and probably the correct curriculum as well. The Admissions asked for all his school records and the classes he was currently taking. You have to be close to the average of their normally admitted students.</p>
<p>How can you get 4.2 gpa on 4.00 scale?</p>