Grade Deflation at BU?

<p>How does grade deflation affect Boston University students?
Student Survey, February 3 – 10, 2006</p>

<p>Question 1: Have you been affected by grade deflation? Or experienced it?
Yes: 44 Students
No: 28 Students</p>

<p>Question 2: Do you have any unexplainable grades?
Yes: 27 Students
No: 45 Students </p>

<p>Question 3: Do you have any documentation of grade deflation?
Yes: 20 Students
No: 52 Students </p>

<p>Question 4: Have any of your professors expressed their opinions – be it positive or negative – about Boston University grading policies and/or grade deflation?
Yes: 33 Students
No: 39 Students </p>

<p>From <a href=“http://www.bu.edu/union/assembly/documents/BUSUGA%20Minutes%2002.20.2006.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bu.edu/union/assembly/documents/BUSUGA%20Minutes%2002.20.2006.pdf</a></p>

<p>Are College Students Getting the Grades They Deserve?
By Amanda Lowe
Students at Boston University complain of grade deflation</p>

<p>College students work hard assuming that they will get the grade they deserve but this is not always the case.</p>

<p>Caroline Boulanger, a sophomore business administration and management major at Boston University studies hard. In her freshmen economics class, her final grade was based on three exams. She received two "A's" and an "A-" on these exams. However, at the end of the semester, she ended up with a final grade of a "B-." She tried contacting her professor and he has still not gotten back to her, so she assumes her grade was deflated. Boulanger is not the only person who has had this problem as a result of the grading policy of Boston University.</p>

<p>“I’ve heard that getting a 4.0 at this school is about as likely as winning the lottery or getting struck by lightening. It could be considered an act of god,” said Haley Goucher, a freshman premed student at Boston University.</p>

<p>If a student does receive a 4.0 at Boston University they are in the minority. In a survey of 100 Boston University students, only 23% received an "A" in any one of their classes and 0% of the students had a GPA of 4.0. </p>

<p>Many of these students expressed that this sudden decline of grades made them lose confidence in their work and themselves.</p>

<p>“People who did well in high school have trouble transitioning sometimes. They work hard and they still feel stupid,” said Alex Corhan, a sophomore journalism major at Boston University.</p>

<p>There is no formal grading policy at Boston University but the university does give several guidelines for professors to follow.</p>

<p>“Don’t be a grade-inflater! Grades should reflect the distribution of effort and success in the class … If your distribution of grades is skewed toward the high end, it might imply that either an 'A' does not require a high level of achievement in the course or you are demanding too little of your students,” the Boston University College of Arts and Sciences “Information for Faculty Instructors” states.</p>

<p>Not only does Boston University strongly discourage grade inflation, but they evaluate their professors by how high they grade their students. This leads to problems for both professors and students.</p>

<p>“The individual colleges monitor the grade distribution of courses and let instructors know if their grades seem to be considerably higher or lower than the norm. If an instructor’s grades continue to be way out of line, punitive action may be taken: non-tenure track faculty member or switching the instructor for a course,” said Alan Marscher, the academic director of Boston University’s Center for Excellence in Teaching.</p>

<p>This can cause some professors to alter their ways of grading for self-preservation. </p>

<p>“In most of my classes, the average is a “C” and if the professors don’t keep this as the class average, they get in huge trouble,” said Dawn Turner, a Biochemistry and Molecular Biology major at Boston University. “My writing professor said, ‘If the average is anything above a “B-” the dean of the English department will actuallymake me give him “A” papers and he will grade them. If he finds any mechanical errors or just errors in general, I get a bad report. I hate doing it to you guys, but I have to protect myself too.” </p>

<p>Not only do the students disapprove of this but the professors do also. </p>

<p>“My economics professors told us that he was in trouble for not grading us down. He said ‘Well, I have been accused of grade inflation for giving you guys the grades that you have earned. The administration is claiming that I am not grading low enough,’” Goucher said.</p>

<p>Many of the professors at Boston University feel the same way and are trying to not give into the demands of the administration.</p>

<p>“My environmental science teaching assistant told us that the department is
pressuring the professors to grade on a more difficult scale but they do not want to conform to it so this year they are trying to do something about it,” said Denise Krall, a sophomore public relations major at Boston University.</p>

<p>Another issue with the grading policy at Boston University is the fact that students are graded on a curve. This means that an average grade is set for the class and that a certain number of students receive each letter grade.</p>

<p>“Another thing they do to keep the average down is setting a standard for the class or grade on a curve. This many people will get A’s, this many B’s, etcetera. From what I have experienced, this generally ends up with 2-5 A’s, 15-30 B’s, 40-60 C’s, 15-30 D’s, and 2-5 F’s per class,” Turner said.</p>

<p>Other students faced similar issues with “preset” grades in their classes.</p>

<p>“Last winter break, I received a letter from the School of Management at Boston University stating that the average grade for each class must be a “B-”. However, in my experiences here I have found that the class average of my classes has been a “C+”,” Boulanger said.</p>

<p>These issues all stem from the grade inflation problems that Boston University had a couple of years ago.</p>

<p>“Boston University, about three or four years ago, realized that grade inflation was a long term and somewhat growing problem, and began doing careful statistical analysis of each professor and course, emphasizing that grading was becoming far too permissive,” said Dr. John Schulz, the Dean of the College of Communication at Boston University. “As a professor here, I was present when we were told, as part of faculty meetings, that grade inflation mattered. For the past three years, each professor has been given a statistical breakdown of how they grade in comparison to their department and the college and are evaluated, in part, on basis of whether they
are grading too high.”</p>

<p>There are other factors that encourage the university to follow this policy. Boston University is ranked 64th in “America’s Best Colleges 2004,” a research-based study conducted by US News and World Report. However, in the same study conducted in 1995 Boston University was ranked 76th. The ranking is mostly based on “student performance”. The US News and World Report webpage states, “A school's rank indicates where it sits among its peers in the 2004 ranking of colleges and universities published by U.S. News at <a href="http://www.usnews.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.usnews.com&lt;/a> and in its annual guide to ‘America's Best Colleges.’ The schools are rated by receiving scores in certain categories. Scores for each measure are weighted as follows: Peer assessment 25%, Grading Difficulty 25%, Faculty resources 20%, Graduation and Retention Rate 15%, Student Selectivity 10%, Financial Resources 10%, and Alumni Assessment 5%.” The difference in ranks shows the difference in “difficulty” of grading at Boston University throughout the years.</p>

<p>“The rankings in this study are based on the difficulty of the school. However,
student performance is also factored in. The grades students receive say a lot about a university. If a large amount of students are receiving “A’s” this indicates that the university is not challenging enough, and perhaps not giving a student his money’s worth of education,” said Charles Kenna, a former board member for the US News and World Report’s study on “America’s Best Colleges.” This is another reason the why Boston University implemented their new grading policy.</p>

<p>“I do not really know why there is a new policy of this sort. I do know that Boston University suffered from a grade inflation problem years ago and was suffering in their college rankings. Being cautious of not grading too high could be a solution to this issue,” said a Boston University professor who wishes to remain anonymous. Grade inflation is not a problem at all universities. Northeastern University’s policy is much different than Boston University.</p>

<p>“I checked the Student Handbook, which has sections on how to dispute a grade, but nothing on the kind of grades or how grades should be assigned in a course. I also checked the Faculty Handbook and could not find anything specific to grade expectations,” Mal Hill, Vice Provost of Education at Northeastern University said. Professors at Northeastern University strongly disagree with the policy at Boston University.</p>

<p>“[The Boston University grading policy] Sounds like a policy designed to make strong students angry. Why shouldn’t students in tough classes get mostly A’s and B’s if they all demonstratelearning that meets high expectations?” Hill asked. The professors at Northeastern University not only believe that grade inflation is unfair, but they are willing to take part of the blame for students’ poor performance in class. </p>

<p>“If my professors see grades concentrated in the “C-” or “D” range, they will find a way to compensate because they realize their exams were too tough,” said Kyle Leonard, a biology major at Northeastern University.
Not only do professors at Northeastern disagree with the deflation of grades but alumni of Boston University do as well.</p>

<p>“I believe that Boston University caused me to experience a severe bout of depression. Going from a B+/A- student to a C level student for no apparent reason or with no apparent avenue of help would do that to some people, me included,” said Kenneth Breckard, an alumnus of Boston University.</p>

<p>Overall, students and professors feel that the grading policy at Boston University is unfair and is taking away from the merit of student’s knowledge and hard work. They believe that if a student studies hard, they can expect to get the grade they deserve.</p>

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<p>“I feel that Boston University’s system of grading on a curve puts many students at a disadvantage and incorrectly assumes that the majority of a class cannot all produce work worthy of excellent grades. The professors even know this is the case. On the first day of my Statistics lecture, the professor said ‘If everyone in this class gets an A, I will march right down the registrar’s office and give everyone an A,” Krall said.</p>

<p>Students and professors alike do not agree with grade deflation or grading on a curve.</p>

<p>“I think the grading policy at Boston University is pretty silly,” said Bill Kirtz, a
journalism professor at Northeastern University. “Sometimes you have very good classes, other times weak classes…students get what they get. If the class average is C or B+, it’s the quality of the students, not the ease or difficulty of the course.”</p>

<p>Also, there is an online petition urging the adminstration to abandon this policy.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/BU_grade_policy/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/BU_grade_policy/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>wow i had no idea, thanks for posting that. that definitely makes bu look unfavorable for anyone who needs to keep a higher gpa for grad school - i myself am considering law school so thats definitely something i will keep in mind.</p>

<p>I'm not complaining here, but I just thought I would share. I took linear algebra at BU last year and ended up with a 96 average in the course. However, the teacher had a policy that only the top five (there were six or seven people ahead of me) would get a 4.0 (A) in the class. This meant that my 96 earned me a 3.7 (A-) in the class. A few friends had similar things happen. I'm not here to complain about an A-, but that was different than any other class I've taken elsewhere...</p>

<p>wow, thanks for that info</p>

<p>sfgiants... how current is that article? I realize that the survey is from Feb 2006, and Ive looked around for grade deflation articles, but most of them seem to be from 2004 or earlier... I am seriously worried about this too, because I'm definately wanting to be a lawyer and if this crap keeps up, and I get a gpa of like a 2.5 or something for college I'm gonna transfer... Do you guys think that BU is a good enough school if I'm hoping to go to Columbia for law school? or should I go somewhere better like Vandy?</p>

<p>Who are you OP that you have chosen to highlight this topic? A student anywhere or a staff memebr at another school or what? With only 6 posts, all related to this topic plus one no topic reply to the Harvard Board, I am just curious.</p>

<p>Dont worry about it. Any grad school you apply to will know that BU has grad deflation and will take it into account. For example there is only 1 kid in my high school could be accused of deflating GPA. We have only 1 kid with a 4.0 (most graduaating classes have none) and im in the top 3rd with a 3.0. Yet we send 10 or so kids to Ivy's and ive already gotten into some pretty good schools because collges know that its hard to get an A at my school.</p>

<p>Our S has a 3.8 so far, at the end of S. year in the Honors Program, so don't worry--if you work hard your GPA will show it. He feels that he had only one class where his grade was pushed down to a A-. Grad and law schools know that a 4.0 at one school isn't the same as a 4.0 at another school just like colleges look at profiles in determining a GPA coming from different high schools. There are usually a handful of professors at any college that are notorious for tough grading or deflation so if it really worries you go on RateMyProfessor.com or ask upperclassmen which professors grade fairly and choose your classes accordingly. At a big school you have many many choices what classes/professors to take. Choose wisely.</p>

<p>So about 70 out of 16,538 undergrads felt strongly enough about this topic to complete the survey? hmmm.
Don't see any citation. Where is this article from? When was it published?</p>

<p>From <a href="http://www.bu.edu/union/assembly/documents/BUSUGA%20Minutes%2002.20.2006.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.bu.edu/union/assembly/documents/BUSUGA%20Minutes%2002.20.2006.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Says right there in the first post. It's from Feb. 2006.</p>

<p>The article is from a year ago and was published in Northeastern's school paper.</p>

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<p>I have applied to BU as an incoming freshman (haven't heard back yet), but I heard rumors about this, so I googled "boston university grade inflation" and found a lot of information that worried me. It would effect my decision about whether or not I would attend, so I figured it might be relevant to others as well.</p>

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<p>Thanks for the advice. I can relate to the deflation situation. I attend a very competitive public high school in San Francisco (Lowell HS). You basically have to be in the top 10% of your middle school to get in (admission is based on GPA and test scores.) I know if I would have attended other high schools, my GPA would significantly higher (and I have talked to friends from these who have stronger GPA's than me, even though I know that I work considerably harder than them.) Yes, colleges take this into account to a certain extent, but this is not true in other aspects of life . For instance, if I apply for internships or jobs, the first thing they look at is GPA, but many of these employers are not aware of the difficulty in maintaining a high GPA at Lowell.</p>

<p>It is much the same with BU. Grad schools may be aware to a certain extent, but employers may not be, and thus it will be more difficult to get hired in the field of your choice.</p>

<p>Northeastern troll post alert.</p>

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<p>I'm pretty sure they did not send out a survey to all of the undergrads.</p>

<p>If you were familar with statistics, you would know that it is regular practice to choose a simple random sample or a stratified random sample among a population rather than surveying everyone in the campus (that would result in heavy bias due to voluntary response) I can't speak on behalf of the survey, but I would assume they followed this procedure.</p>

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<p>Thanks for pointing that out. I wasn't aware that it was in the Northeastern paper. It makes sense, since they quote Northeastern professors in that article.</p>

<p>At the end of the article, they post a link to here: <a href="http://www.journalism.neu.edu/studentwork/lowe.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.journalism.neu.edu/studentwork/lowe.html&lt;/a> , which is also referenced in the petition. However, that link just brings up "page not found." I guess the article has been moved.</p>

<p>For Northeastern students to produce 16,538 surveys and devote time to adminstering them would be quite rediculous...</p>