GWU - Elliott vs. William and Mary vs. McGill

Help me crack at it, guys!

-Want to major in IR/Poli Sci
-I realize this is unfeasibly un-lucrative in the job market, so I will minor/double major in a marketable science as well, such as Econ or Computer Engineering or Finance. It is kind of important to have all those departments relatively well-rounded/reputed.
-Realizing that internships are important, those are also important for me, i.e. connections and networks the university has to offer.
-I do want to go to a good, probably Ivy grad school after this. So grad school (law, in particular) prospects are very important to me in this decision.
-I’m a self-admitted snob, so I guess an academic environment would be nice, but the idea of tailgates and huge party scenes doesn’t deter me from the perspective of exposing myself to something completely different.
-I like big cities (which I do not consider DC to be) with tons of things to do (beating heart cities, like NY - yes, Columbia rejected me), but I also realize that with so much to do on campus, there is less need for a big city than in other cases.
-Money being a semi-issue, GWU is offering me quite a bit of aid, making it my cheapest option of all 3. Followed by McGill, topped by W/M.
-I do want to practice my French, but I’ve been told McGill is kind of bad for that. The city, especially the university, are Anglo-centric.
-Coming from a small high school, I do need a bit of hand-holding, I’ll admit. Surely less than for some people. I know one or two of the schools I listed are known for throwing you to the wolves to fend for yourself, but I don’t think this will be a huge problem for me.

I hail from DC, growing up very close to GWU’s campus. I’ve had a lot of exposure to the university; it doesn’t even feel like a university to me, just an extension of everyday experiences. Elliott would be amazing if it wasn’t basically home for me. The other issue is the lack of an ability to take on coursework/double major from the sciences or economics, so graduating with just a degree in International Relations does worry me. GWU’s ranking does seem troublesome, but at the same time, Elliott is always distinguished in these rankings as being a premier IA program.

William and Mary seems to have the lowest academic repute of all three, but seems to be the “funnest.” it has the knowledge for knowledge’s sake sort of thing going on as with Reed or UChicago. I’ve heard it’s a pressure cooker and incredibly stressful, but hey, college is supposed to be tough, right? The only things I feel afraid of with W/M are the costs (though I haven’t received my final FA letter yet), the idea of cabin fever creeping up on me, and the small size. I’ve heard one (just one) person say that William and Mary tries to be a public LAC, but fails at doing so, due to the disorganization of the school. I also don’t know how well it is recognized on the job market/opportunities it provides. I also do not know the quality of its Government department (the closest thing they have to IA/Poli Sci).

McGill seems like an awesome school with an amazing opportunity to have an “interfaculty” degree bridged through arts faculty and the sciences faculty, allowing you to double major in Poli Sci and Comp Sci with relative ease. Montreal is also a huge, very vibrant city that seems to be loads fun. My only concern is that McGill seems to be: a) incredibly bureaucratic, with tons of Canadian loopholes and inefficiencies to climb over, which I hope does not interfere with education quality; b) too large - I’ve heard it is a perfect analogy of UMich, except a lot less organized; c) I have heard - at the same time - that it has GREAT repute in America and that it has AWFUL repute in America. This makes me a bit worried about grad school and hiring prospects, since I do intend to return to the states afterwards.

Thanks, guys!!!

@Otlichnik I’m surprised at W&M. Nothing city about it. Actually quite remote. If it’s your least affordable option, I think that’s an easy choice to drop. I know nothing about McGill but as you have spelled it out here it sounds like a great choice for you! Are you able to visit to see if your reservations hold true? Good luck!

Yes, I have visited. 85% impressed. it seems a bitttt shabby, tis all. But so do a lot of well-esteemed colleges. The reason I keep W/M is because it seems very fun and has the best scene and community of the three.

Hi- similarly to you, I live in Montréal and don’t want to go to Mcgill and therefore, will be attending GW next year. Have you ever visited McGill? I don’t know who told you that you won’t be able to practice your French- this is an incredibly ignorant comment. I have spent a lot of time in Montréal and yes, you are correct to assert that the school is anglo-centric, however, you have to understand that anglo-centric in Montréal practically means that the college teaches their courses in English. Montréal is the best place to practice your french- I am completely bilingual now and it is even more French in someways than Paris ( the stop signs in Paris read stop while in Montreal, they read ârret). Montreal is also not a HUGE city, but it is a nice size with lots of things to do and like DC, it is extremely international and cultural- the drinking age is 18 ( I don’t think I have to say more).

In Canada, at least, we don’t have IVY League Unis, and therefore, Mcgill is our best option and has the reputation for being the best school in Canada. Also, it is a very rigorous school known for its academia and world renowned professors and forums. I have friends at Mcgill who just applied to Ivy League schools and got accepted… Why not have an adventure in another country for four years?

Hope that helps! Let me know if you have more questions!

I’m a current sophomore at GW(IA & Polisci Major with econ minor) and just came here to say that you can double major with IA I don’t know where you read/heard that it wasn’t possible. You might have to take a heavier course load depending on how many credits you come in with but it’s definitely possible. Economics, and the most if not all of the Sciences are in the Columbian college which makes the process of double majoring fairly easy.

Also if you want to practice French GW has a great language program and I know a lot of people who really enjoy their french classes.

Links to Double Major info(econ & chem as examples)

http://economics.columbian.gwu.edu/information-prospective-majors-and-minors#whataboutadouble
https://chemistry.columbian.gwu.edu/faqs#Transfer,%20Minor,%20Double%20Major

I’m glad @tahahn5 was able to chime-in about the ability to double-major with Elliot and CCAS. That’s really helpful info for you since that was a listed drawback of yours.

I wanted to comment on your thought of GW’s campus being an “extension of everyday experiences.” I think that you living in close proximity to it has both positive and negative influences. The positive in that you probably know more about the university than most incoming students. The negative in that you think you know what it’d be like to actually live there. I assure you, when you’re living on campus, eating on campus, socializing on campus, it does have that university feel. It’s different in that it’s not separated from the rest of the D.C. population, but it’s definitely its own little atmosphere.

Also, I don’t know how old you were when you lived in D.C. but I assure you the city has a whole lot more to offer college-aged people than adolescents. True, it might not be as big as NYC, but it’s still a metropolitan and has more to offer than most college towns. I never ran out of things to do while living on campus. I think it’s a great city for that transition into adulthood.