<p>Sure, right. I prefer anyway going to Rice. Much more prestigious and elite to network with Oil Tycoons than with liberal Social Service oriented fellows.</p>
<p>^ I agree with you there, bud. I’m in the oil industry myself. I may eventually move to H-town. (What do locals call it?)</p>
<p>It’s great here. Not pretentious, but H-Town is a great city with unlimited opportunities indeed.</p>
<p>superpippo, you are the ultimate distracter on threads haha</p>
<p>the OP asked about Michigan and UC-Berkeley NOT Rice and Houston lol</p>
<p>I like Clemson. Good school. And by buddy Gooch Onyewu played there.</p>
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Haas and Ross are about the same size. The difference in total enrollment is because Haas is a 2-year program and Ross is 3-year.</p>
<p>You should know that Ross is a mandatory 3-year program. So it will take you an additional year to go to Ross.</p>
<p>p.s. At Haas, you will HAVE TO finish the program in 2 years.</p>
<p>I would personally choose Berkeley-Haas because of the setting, environment and weather, but either school would be great. They’re neck-and-neck in reputation and respect. Neither one is significantly stronger than the other.</p>
<p>HAAS:
-Pro: big reputation worldwide because it’s berkeley (true)
-700 enrollment, smaller than ross’s 1000+ (Ross is a 3 year program, Haas is a two year program. Haas and Ross each have 350 students per graduating class, so they are roughly the same size.
-2 year program (that’s not necessarily a good thing. Three year programs offer more internship opportunities)
-good location (understatement. Berkeley is a near-perfect location)
-2nd ranking recruiter survey rank from bizweek (not necessarily true. All top BBA programs have excellent recruitment activity, including Ross)
-good mba feeder ranking (yes, that is obviously true)</p>
<p>Con:
-bad teaching quality (never heard that. I assume teaching quality at Haas is as good as it is in other comparable programs)
-bad faculty student ratio (faculty student ratio is not telling. A good university will provide the required faculty support, so don’t worry about that)
-half of the students are asian (why does that matter?)</p>
<p>ROSS:
-Pro: better teaching quality (How is that measured exactly? I don’t think teching quality can be measured)
-better ranking than haas on either usnews or bizweek (USNWR has them both tied at #3, BW ranks Ross insignificantly higher than Haas this year, but Haas insignificantly higher than Ross last year. In short, those two Business school are ranked equally)
-more diverse student body (Michigan and Ross are more geographically diverse, but not more racially diverse)
better faculty student ratio (again, this is not telling, so don’t worry about it)</p>
<p>Con:
-cold. snow (yup, but snow and winter does have its charm)
-location is not as good as the bay area (Southeastern Michigan is not as good a location as the Bay area, but I personally prefer Ann Arbor to Berkeley)
-1 year longer than haas (it could be a pro because that gives you moretime to get internships)
-less prestigious (Cal is onlyslightly more prestigious than Michigan, but Haas is not more prestigious than Ross)
-less well-known worldwidely when compared to BERKELEY…(again, Cal is slightly more well-known that Michigan worldwide, but as a program, Haas is not more well known than Ross)
-easier to get in than haas (why is that a pro or a con? Anyway, Ross is not easier to get into than Ross…nor it is harder. Both programs are very hard to get into.)</p>
<p>Don’tworry about quality or reputation. Those two universities and programs arepractically identical when it comes to academics and prestige. Go for fit. Where do you think you would be happier? In terms of environment, campus culture and setting, they are very different and they attract different types of students. If you have visited the two schools, which one did you prefer? If you haven’t, visit the two schools and decide after the visit.</p>
<p>OP, if you are dead set on getting into Wall Street, I think Ross would prepare you for that much better than Haas would. Most top bulge bracket firms recruit talents at Ross, including McKinsey, the most notorious MC firm in the universe. Ross is one of the only 7 schools that McKinsey considers CORE SCHOOLS. The other six are: HYPSM and Wharton. Not even Dartmouth, Duke, Columbia or Berkeley are core schools of McKinsey. That should tell you of Ross’ BBA quality. </p>
<p>Despite that, I would still choose Haas. The environment, weather, people and area are Berkeley’s assets. They’re hard to turn down. Berkeley is one of the best places on earth for students. Certainly better than Palo Alto or Cambridge, in my opinion.</p>
<p>RML, I don’t think Cal/Berkeley offers a better setting for students than Michigan/Ann Arbor. I think both excel in this regard, but it really depends on personal preference. I personally never liked the on and off campys feel at Cal.</p>
<p>^ I respect that, that’s why my reasons are personal stuff. :)</p>
<p>That’s what it boils down to when the schools I’m comparing against are of equal status and prestige.</p>
<p>UCBChemguy – yeah, I agree. Ross looks like the UCLA hospital built in the 60s… ugly, minimalist, cold… and cheap to built because there are zero architectural features.</p>
<p>^ My problem is the psychedelic carpet and cheap, black vinyl furniture… looks like a cheesy nightclub. The building will look very dated in 10 years.</p>
<p>“Ross looks like the UCLA hospital built in the 60s… ugly, minimalist, cold… and cheap to built because there are zero architectural features.”</p>
<p>Dunnin, Ross cost $150,000,000 to build, the most expensive Business building in the World. It is generally considered an architectural success by most architects. And the facilities are actually first class.</p>
<p>“My problem is the psychedelic carpet and cheap, black vinyl furniture… looks like a cheesy nightclub. The building will look very dated in 10 years.”</p>
<p>UCB, carpets and furniture almost always looks dated after 10 years. They just need to be changed.</p>
<p>Make no mistake about it folks, the new Ross building is one of the most spectacular buildings devoted to business education anywhere in the World.</p>
<p>Alex – precisely my point. For another 10-20% they could have created some visually appealing architectural elements. It is cheap looking. Functional. Industrial.</p>
<p>Dunnin, I think that was the point of the design. Well, the functional and industrial part. I don’t think the school looks cheap. The old BSchool building also looked like that and I think they wanted keep with the old motif.</p>
<p>…and now we’re all architectural experts. I have been in the Ross building and it is stunning. It is loaded with fine art and is not “cheap looking” at all in person.</p>
<p>I lived for 8 months in downtown S.F. back in the early '80s. And let me tell you, it’s a sewer of a place. (I’m not saying Detroit is better; it can’t be.) In S.F. you’ll be amazed at all the filth and puke and perverts and bums and pimps and hoes running all over the place!</p>
<p>Paradise it ain’t!</p>
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That was last year. This year Haas’ recruiter ranking dropped to 15th. Ross dropped from 8th to 26th.</p>
<p>Don’t take the bizweek ranking too seriously. Apparently they received survey feedbacks from entirely different recruiter groupings each year (33% response rate).</p>
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I presume you got that from bizweek. Again don’t take it seriously as it is merely a student survey with a 31% response rate. It could simply mean that Haas has tough grading standards. Joining Haas with a “B” teaching quality grade are programs like Michigan Ross, MIT Sloan and CMU Teppers.</p>
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Only 4% of the Ross BBA class is transferred from other universities. Is this easier than Haas?</p>
<p>Aren’t you jumping the gun a bit? Apply to both now and decide later after you get admitted.</p>