<p>If I wanted to obtain a degree in Business Adminstration, would if I have to apply to the college and wait to see if I got accepted, or if I get accepted to the university I am allowed to go to Haas. The reason that I ask this is because a freind of mine goes to Berkeley but did not get into Haas, so i'm a little confused.</p>
<p>you apply to Haas towards the end of your first semester of sophomore year. there's a separate application. you have to get into Cal first and take the Haas pre-req courses in order to be eligible to apply. they look at your gpa and i don't really know if they have some essays for you to write. if you get in, then you're a business administration major. if you don't, then you gotta go look for some other major.</p>
<p>Yes, there is an essay requirement. You can also apply to Haas as a junior college transfer, but you also have to be offered admission to Cal.</p>
<p>~8% acceptance rate to Haas undergrad at the junior transfer level. Supposedly it's this low because many applicants turn in an incomplete application.</p>
<p>Here's the deal: if you want to major in Business Administration, first you must get into Berkeley, where you will be in the College of Letters and Sciences (most likely).</p>
<p>Then you must complete certain prerequisites that Haas requires, and you apply to the school generally in the second semester of your sophomore year. Your admission depends roughly on: 50% grades in prereqs, 35% essays, 15% ECs.</p>
<p>About 50-60% of those who apply are admitted into Haas. This number would be lower because some students don't do very well in the prereqs and don't bother applying in the first place. The prereqs tend to be very competitive since the Haas admissions process itself is competitive. UGBA10 is an infamous weeder course that all prospective applicants must take.</p>
<p>I should mention that you only get to apply to Haas once. If you are rejected you can't apply again. I've heard of people repealing but...that usually doesn't work.</p>
<p>Now, those who are rejected by Haas, usually major in Economics, and in my opinion the two majors are not that different and graduates of both majors do pretty well. The kicker is that Economics is also capped so you would need to apply and may not get in, but it's not nearly as competitive as Haas and most students get in.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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Now, those who are rejected by Haas, usually major in Economics, and in my opinion the two majors are not that different and graduates of both majors do pretty well. The kicker is that Economics is also capped so you would need to apply and may not get in, but it's not nearly as competitive as Haas and most students get in.
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<p>I would add the caveat that the majority of people who * apply * to economics will get in. The catch is, again, that many people don't even bother to apply because they know they won't get in. Let's face it. If you have a 2.3 GPA, you're not going to waste time applying to either Haas or to the economics major because you know that you're not getting into either of them.</p>
<p>what is the rate of admission for students who already attend Cal??</p>
<p>last year 270 out of 454 applicants were accepted.</p>
<p>~60%</p>
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I would add the caveat that the majority of people who apply to economics will get in. The catch is, again, that many people don't even bother to apply because they know they won't get in. Let's face it. If you have a 2.3 GPA, you're not going to waste time applying to either Haas or to the economics major because you know that you're not getting into either of them.
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<p>The difference is, while admissions to Haas is very competitive (since Haas is many students' first choice, while Econ is often the backup), it's harder to get good grades in Haas prereqs (think weeders like UGBA10). Econ on the other hand, has way fewer major prereqs so I could easily see someone stack up on easy classes and bolster his GPA. It seems to me like it's not very hard to get into the Econ major if you really want to.</p>
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Econ on the other hand, has way fewer major prereqs so I could easily see someone stack up on easy classes and bolster his GPA.
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<p>Not true. Admission to Economics are based on the grades in the prereqs. Grades earned in classes not listed as prereqs will not matter, so there is no boosting of the GPA with easy classes.</p>
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The difference is, while admissions to Haas is very competitive (since Haas is many students' first choice, while Econ is often the backup), it's harder to get good grades in Haas prereqs (think weeders like UGBA10). Econ on the other hand, has way fewer major prereqs so I could easily see someone stack up on easy classes and bolster his GPA. It seems to me like it's not very hard to get into the Econ major if you really want to.
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<p>Stacking up on easy classes to bolster your overall GPA doesn't really help you, because admissions to the Econ major are predicated mostly on your GPA in Econ ** prereq ** courses. Hence, if you do terrible in all of the Econ prereqs, then getting a string of A's in Film Studies isn't going to do much for you.</p>
<p>*The main criterion is academic performance as measured by GPA in the prerequisite courses.� The average GPA in prerequisite courses for students admitted to the major in recent years has been a 3.4.� The economics major is impacted and to be considered for admission students should have a minimum of a 3.0 in the prerequisite courses.� Students with a GPA of less than a 3.0 are typically not admitted. *</p>
<p>And here are the prereq courses. While they're obviously not as difficult as engineering weeders, these courses ain't no joke either.</p>
<p>So it seems to me that if you do poorly in these courses, cherry-picking a bunch of easy courses in other disciplines isn't going to do much for you.</p>
<p>In particular, you should note the Haas prereqs, many of which overlap with the Econ prereqs. Hence, if you do poorly in these prereqs, you will probably be denied from both Haas and from Economics. </p>
<p>I don't know about that. Let's take a look at the Econ prereqs:</p>
<p>2 semesters of calculus (1A, 1B or 16A, 16B)
1 semester of statistics (Statistics 20, 21, 21X, 25, or upper division equivalent)
Economics 1 or 2
Economics 100A or 100B or 101A</p>
<p>Now, I wouldn't exactly call Math 16A and Math 16B hard classes. Certainly not easy, but pretty doable. The range of statistic classes really makes it easy to find a lenient professor. This leaves two economic classes that could be tough. But from what I can see, it's pretty easy to have one difficult class per semester, while you stack up on other easy classes, study mainly for that one prereq, and come out with a strong overall GPA and prereqs GPA.</p>
<p>Now let's take a look at Haas prereqs:</p>
<p>UBGA10
one semester of calculus
Econ 1 or 2
Stat 21
Computer Science
Literature/Writing Requirement
SEVEN more breadth courses</p>
<p>Many more courses, and a higher level of competitiveness. Harder to cherry-pick classes, and notice that only three prereqs overlap (calc, stat, econ), out of Haas's 13 required courses.</p>
<p>So, maybe I should rephrase what I said about "not very hard to get into" because I'm sure for some people it would be hard. But I think it's considerably easier to get into than Haas.</p>
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So, maybe I should rephrase what I said about "not very hard to get into" because I'm sure for some people it would be hard. But I think it's considerably easier to get into than Haas.
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<p>I think it's more than just a case of just 'some people' thinking it would be hard. According to the data, the people who typically get into Economics have a 3.4 GPA in prereq courses, and we have established that the prereq courses are clearly not the easiest classes you can find at Berkeley. Hence, I agree with you that these people probably have an even higher overall GPA, when you count their "cheesepuff" classes. The overall GPA of these admitted people is probably more like a 3.5 or 3.6.</p>
<p>Yet the average GPA of Berkeley is around a 3.25 or so. </p>
<p>"In the late 1950's, the average cumulative GPA for Berkeley undergraduates was 2.50 and has increased to approximately 3.25."</p>
<p>So these people who are getting into economics with their 3.5-3.6 overall GPA's are clearly doing FAR better than the average student at Berkeley. </p>
<p>Hence, I wouldn't say that it is a case that 'some' students at Berkeley would think it is hard to get into economics. The GPA information alone seems to indicate that it is actually not just 'some' students, but rather MOST Berkeley students who would find it to be hard. </p>
<p>Let's face it, vicissitudes. There are a lot of Berkeley students who, frankly, aren't doing that well - certainly not to the level of getting a 3.4 in Econ prereq courses (when that 3.4 itself is above average for all of Berkeley). You and I might think that Berkeley calculus (i.e. Math 16AB) is easy, but trust me, there are a lot of students at Berkeley who don't do well there.</p>
<p>70% of students who apply for economics gets admitted, as stated by the econ advisor.</p>
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Yet the average GPA of Berkeley is around a 3.25 or so. </p>
<p>So these people who are getting into economics with their 3.5-3.6 overall GPA's are clearly doing FAR better than the average student at Berkeley.
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<p>Yeah, but the average GPA accounts for ALL Berkeley students. That means many who are taking major prereqs that are more difficult than the Econ prereqs, and certainly more difficult than other easy course that Econ majors can take. For example, engineerers. Or how about math/MCB/physics/chem majors? Is the guy with a 3.4 in Econ prereqs or 3.5-3.6 overall really doing better than the guy in EECS with a 3.2? That's debatable. So just because the Econ-intended guy has a higher GPA than most Berkeley students doesn't necessarily mean he's doing better than most Berkeley students.</p>
<p>But I see your point to an extent; perhaps my perception is skewed as the Econ-intended students I meet tend to be pretty good students. There could be a case of self-selection going on here: those who know they won't make it don't even consider Econ as a major, so I'm led to think it's not as tough for Econ-intended students to get that major.</p>
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70% of students who apply for economics gets admitted, as stated by the econ advisor.
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<p>That seems a little low...it's pretty close to the Haas admissions rate actually. You'd think that with so many Haas rejects (who are probably still relatively strong students) applying to Econ the admissions rate would be higher.</p>
<p>What I said about the acceptance rate for econ is not a guess, it's a fact provided by the econ advisor.</p>
<p>I know. I was just commenting on that fact.</p>
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Yeah, but the average GPA accounts for ALL Berkeley students. That means many who are taking major prereqs that are more difficult than the Econ prereqs, and certainly more difficult than other easy course that Econ majors can take. For example, engineerers. Or how about math/MCB/physics/chem majors? Is the guy with a 3.4 in Econ prereqs or 3.5-3.6 overall really doing better than the guy in EECS with a 3.2? That's debatable. So just because the Econ-intended guy has a higher GPA than most Berkeley students doesn't necessarily mean he's doing better than most Berkeley students.
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<p>Oh really? I agree - the numbers include ALL Berkeley students. So, yes, it includes the engineers. But it also includes all of those students taking cheesepuff majors. Are there really more students taking difficult majors than taking cheesepuff majors? In my opinion, it's probably a wash.</p>