<p>If you are an average student, Is hard work by itself enough to get you through engineering?</p>
<p>you will be fine, just don't quit , keep working hard and all will work out on the end.</p>
<p>engr classes are more than how smart you are, but how much you are willing to put up with all the !@#$ that profs make you go through. It is more about endurance I think</p>
<p>Agreed. Hard work will only get you so far; you need enduraunce and determination and frankly, self-confidence, to get you through. Right now I have all As and Bs, but I think that if I stopped for a second and realized how much i've done, i'd die. Instead, I just keep pushing through, and know that there's always two days of the week that I can't be quizzed/tested/asked for assignents =)</p>
<p>This is good to hear. Right now I'm getting A's in AP Physics and my math classes not because I'm some genius, but because I am working my butt off. And of course, there are the people sitting next to me who are just plain naturally good at understanding and get A's without even trying... grrrrr</p>
<p>If you can get into a school, then you can graduate. However, that's not to say that anyone can do engineering.</p>
<p>Not to deter you, but I know someone who graduated with a 3.7 or so in high school, and always did well in math/physics, all four years, and even AP (and he barely did any work, especially senior year, on top of varsity bball and spring track). Now, in college, he got a 2.57 his first semester.
Goes to show high school performance really can't compare to college, especially engineering. For him, it was the distractions that got him, such as alcohol, girls, TV, video games, and the overall freedom. And right now, I don't think he's doing much better. So you could go to college the same way, and turn out the same way. It really just depends on your determination to work and succeed and be smart, all at the same time.</p>
<p>if u just wanna pass, yes hardwork is enough!
at top schools, you need to be well prepared and a little gifted too, to get good grades in engineering.</p>
<p>4.0+ ? </p>
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<p>yes cornell has A+ (4.3), so I know some people with 4.0+ GPAs</p>
<p>Wow. So theoretically if you get above a 95, the professor will give you an A+? That's pretty cool.</p>
<p>no, it usually depends on how high above the standard deviation you are.</p>
<p>For example, if the average final grades are 70 with a standard deviation of 10, and you end up with above a 90, you can get an A+.</p>
<p>But then again, if the mean grade for the class is an 85, with a standard deviation of 20, then nobody will get an A+.</p>
<p>Hard work, a good study ethic, dedication and occasional patches of ingenuity, is all I think you need to survive engineering.</p>
<p>The average engineer isn't a brilliant genius or else they typically would be snatched up by the Math/Physics department. Instead, the average engineer works hard and will usually get through most of their classes with ease.</p>
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Hard work, a good study ethic, dedication and occasional patches of ingenuity, is all I think you need to survive engineering.</p>
<p>The average engineer isn't a brilliant genius or else they typically would be snatched up by the Math/Physics department. Instead, the average engineer works hard and will usually get through most of their classes with ease.
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<p>I disagree. Many people drop out of engineering and go into math. The geniuses are the ones in graduate school(esp phd) but undergrad can contain a hodgepodge of levels. </p>
<p>It is hard to say how you'll do in engineering. It depends on a lot of factors such as hard work, smarts, work efficiency, focus, and learning your mistakes. Your HS performance won't be a true indication since I knew people who did very well in HS but couldn't handle it.</p>
<p>Engineering at a weak school is not so hard, but at a strong program, the key to success I believe is intellectual curiosity and a strong will to succeed. You also have to prioritize everything, you need to recognize your weaknesses and strengths and improve the weaknesses. Networking is also pretty important, you don't need to be a genius for any undergraduate degree anywhere, there is a book, there is a teacher and you learn it.</p>
<p>You need to have friends also in your own department to help divide the HW load. My 1st year at UIUC i socialized with the "cool" non-engineering crowd and had no friends in my dept. Here, you are so inundated with assignments and work there is now way you can complete stuff on time unless you have friends to work on stuff together. As a result, i skipped plenty of hwks and didn't do too hot. I can't emphasize how important it is to have good friends in your classes.</p>
<p>^^ I agree. Working on assignments by yourself can get pretty frustrating. If the assignment is something that you truly like, then I guess it will be okay, but how many assignments can you like to the point that you want to do it by yourself? Working in groups really helps not only by dividing the workload, but it also makes the learning process more enjoyable and effective- you will actually learn from your friends a part of the material that is confusing instead of possibly giving up if you were doing the whole thing yourself. Finally, it's always nice to have normal conversations while studying, it allows you to study for long periods of time without getting tired or bored.</p>
<p>yup..work hard...you will stumble (bad midterm grades, final grades etc.) along the way but you are not alone....</p>
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You need to have friends also in your own department to help divide the HW load. My 1st year at UIUC i socialized with the "cool" non-engineering crowd and had no friends in my dept. Here, you are so inundated with assignments and work there is now way you can complete stuff on time unless you have friends to work on stuff together. As a result, i skipped plenty of hwks and didn't do too hot. I can't emphasize how important it is to have good friends in your classes.
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<p>It depends how well you understand the material, which is a function on how well you study and other things. But not everybody needs hw buddies. I don't consider myself a genius or anything but I worked solo in all my classes but 2. I also had time for other activities so I wasn't inundated with work. </p>
<p>Having people to work with always helps but I don't want the threadstarter to think that is the only way to good grades.</p>
<p>i work my @$$ off and still only pull off C's and C-.</p>
<p>i spend hours and hours and hours on a subject and that is all i can get. maybe im dumb.</p>