<p>Which is hardest to get into from Out of State?
Quick stats: 3.75 GPA, 2110 SAT (1380), Top 10%
Also, wont be applying for financial aid ***** I've heard this changes some things</p>
<p>I need to pick one of these schools to apply to based on which is generally the easiest of the 3 to get into.
I think my UC GPA is 3.99, but I dont know much about other OOS requirements (like what is this VAPA thing I have heard about)
I might not apply to any but I'd like to apply to whichever most think is the easiest to get into (yes I know they are all ridiculously competitive).</p>
<p>VAPA is Visual Arts/Performing Arts. You’ve had none of that in high school or at community college?</p>
<p>UC’s gpa is only for the mid two years of high school, I guess you know.</p>
<p>It’s not about not needing FA so much as contributing higher tuition as an OOS student, but that is a tip only if your application is already especially strong, since there are those competing with you for those particular campuses who are paying full freight in-state and have a similar gpa.</p>
<p>The UCs are looking for more full pay OOS students, but your stats are marginal at these two. Average UC GPA at both is 4.2 and average SAT 2050. You have a shot, but neither is a shoo in. Not needing aid is not a boost because they won’t be giving any to OOS students anyway.</p>
<p>Assuming Arts & Sciences, the “easiest” to get into is UCLA, then Cal and then UVa. (Although UCLA is only slightly easier than Cal.)</p>
<p>Yes, OOS must fulfill the VAPA requirement OR the “testing” requirement. The testing requirement requires an average of 710+ on every test.</p>
<p>I disagree with hmom5, however. The UCs are need-blind, and the idea of enrolling more OOS kids is only a proposal that has yet to be approved by the Regents. Thus, it’s unlikely to happen this year.</p>
<p>yes, I saw the article as well, and I interpreted it as political spin, particularly given his other comment:</p>
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<p>In other words. Legislature, “cut my budget and I’ll refuse to accept your instate neighbors.” </p>
<p>But, you may be correct and more OOS’ers end up being admitted. My guess, however, is that the net effect will just be a lower yield, bcos as you note UC finaid is poor, even for instaters. Thus, unless UC actively recruits (in upper income areas. which it says it won’t do), more acceptances won’t necessarily mean more matriculations, not at $50k per and climbing. But, just a guess.</p>
<p>I have it on very good authority within the system that they will be taking considerably more from OOS this year and into the future. No need for bluffs at this late date, the money is not there for the legislature to give. </p>
<p>While it might be hard to get Americans to pay the OOS tuition, they have significant willingness on the part of internationals to accomplish their financial goal.</p>
<p>I’ll also bet we see some marketing to OOS kids starting up in the not too distant future. Especially on the part of the mid tier schools. All of the top schools are marketing like mad internationally and it’s hard to believe these schools won’t join them.</p>
<p>“Assuming Arts & Sciences, the “easiest” to get into is UCLA, then Cal and then UVa. (Although UCLA is only slightly easier than Cal.)”</p>
<p>Why do you say that? I haven’t looked by school, but in general, I thought UCLA’s admit rate was lower this year, presumably because of the higher number of applications.</p>
<p>FWIW, by D got into Cal but not UCLA ('12).</p>
<p>FP9 you need to make sure you meet the Visual and Performing Arts requirement. You will also benefit from going to the UC websites and reading up on how they calculate GPA. They have their own formula.</p>
<p>^^I say that because the question was for OOS, not NorCal or SoCal. (Indeed, I’ve long believed that each campus gave tips to local kids – perhaps a familiarity with the local high schools – but that is totally off point.)</p>
<p>Since Cal already has lots more OOS students (as a %) than the other UCs, and the UCs want more OOS students (which requires a higher yield), LA is and will be marginally easier for OOS. Obviously, specialized programs like Engineering and theater are different.</p>
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<p>Excellent point, but I personally consider OOS and international separately. Thus, my earlier posts were meant to discuss OOS who lived in the other 49 states (or are permanent residents) who have access to wonderful instate publics at less than half the cost of a UC OOS. IMO, the build-it-they-will-come strategy won’t work for $50k per year. (Sure, UMich has lotsa OOS residents but the state’s demographics are miserable for higher ed and UMich offers excellent merit money. UVa offers full financial aid, even to OOS’ers. UNC is $10k cheaper, even at full price.)</p>
<p>^^I’m guessing, and it’s only a guess, is that Cal has an international name brand which is higher than fun-in-the-sun LA’s. I’ve been following both campuses closely over the past few years and at least on cc, UCLA gets lots of apps from kids who want to be close to the beach and/or live in SoCal (like NYC, it’s the area that is attractive), whereas Cal gets apps from kids who want to attend Cal – of course, it may be Cal engineering… </p>
<p>But, once that $50k bill arrives with zero finaid, those OOS parents say, 'da beach is nice, but not $50k nice… :)</p>