<p>Run along now. The adults are about to have cocktails.</p>
<p>Hmmph…cocktails are for the trashy members of our society-russian vodka all the wayyy!!!</p>
<p>Omg. My BOORISH friend changed the password to my cc account…and all the info provided…so if my the posts from the past few days appear to be particularly childish and neandrathal-esque, please don’t blame me. And for reference, you can look at my previous posts…they’re nothing like the ones that he posted. So…sorry fishymom…and anyone else who my friend harrassed.</p>
<p>“they’re not going to give a full ride scholarship to a rich athlete, because it would come out and cause a big scandal.”</p>
<p>I think you underestimate the Ivy administrators’ amoral arrogance, and confidence that they can dissemble, confuse, delay, and half-truth their way out of any situation. The fact that they are all living in glass houses keeps them from throwing stones at each other. Not good for the collective Ivy ego to get squashed on the gridiron by UMass, you know.</p>
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<p>Cyber martinis all around!</p>
<p>“they’re not going to give a full ride scholarship to a rich athlete, because it would come out and cause a big scandal.”</p>
<p>i figure the net worth on my daughters team (the parents) is over 1 billion. And half the team is on scholarship:)</p>
<p>Gee, I guess we missed that scholarship boat! My D was a pretty attractive recruit both academically and athletically. In fact, as a freshman she’d be the number one girl on the x-c team of her top Ivy choice right now, had she gone there. But while the need-based financial aid they offered was good, it was not a full ride and we’re actually rather poor by Ivy standards–we live in a small town home, drive old cars, our household income is below 100,000, we had high medical expenses, etc. So I guess she’s either in the wrong sport, or we’re stupid! My D was in the top 10-15 nationally in her best track event in her recruiting class and there were no free rides offered by any Ivy. We got financial aid pre-reads from HYPC and none offered a full ride.
I tend not to believe most of these scholarship stories.</p>
<p>PS: And when she told HYPC she was going elsewhere, no one rushed to up the FA either!</p>
<p>partial scholarships! but the parents net worth had no baring on if the coach offered an athletic scholarship. ^^gfg, i do think you do better with financial aid over athletic scholarship, and of course you can’t have both.</p>
<p>But aren’t we talking about Ivies here, pacheight? Are you saying the Ivies offer athletic scholarships? We also met a boy who was the best in the nation in his event. He ran a time almost identical to an older athlete who went to the last Olympics. He turned down Harvard and is paying to attend his current school. Somehow I doubt he’d have done that if Harvard had offered him a full ride! I don’t believe these Ivy athletic scholarship stories.</p>
<p>I really don’t know, but I do believe they might bend the rules for the more high profile sports like ice hockey and football.</p>
<p>ya right, not ivies.</p>
<p>GFG, you’re right. Having been through the Ivy recruiting process I can say it was all done with the utmost integrity. Coach spelled out what he could do and delivered on his word. FA office gave a preread which was exactly what the final award was. No winks, nods or secret passwords. </p>
<p>As far as football being a different animal, it’s not like the Ivies are well known for producing national powerhouse programs. I don’t see why some people are so skeptical that the process could possibly be above board.</p>
<p>My sense is that the Ivies target athlete who need a lot of financial aid, because in FA they can compete quite well with D1 schools due to their liberal policies and generous endowments. They don’t have much to offer the rich recruit unless that kid is set on an Ivy education. If not, he would get a better deal at a good, large state university or a place like Duke.</p>
<p>^ I’d agree with that. There seems to be a recruitng ‘sweet spot’. Athletically all state or better, academically top 10% or better and financially under 200K household income.
Very generally speaking, of course.</p>
<p>From your lips to God’s ears^ Hope so for our kiddo ;o)</p>
<p>“In fact, as a freshman she’d be the number one girl on the x-c team of her top Ivy choice right now…”</p>
<p>I’m going to go way out on a limb here and speculate that women’s cross country is at the bottom of most colleges’ priority list (i.e., nobody’s gonna risk his/her job bending the rules to beef up a sport that obscure, that irrelevant to alumni’s egos, and that devoid of spectators).</p>
<p>“My sense is that the Ivies target athlete who need a lot of financial aid, because in FA they can compete quite well with D1 schools due to their liberal policies and generous endowments. They don’t have much to offer the rich recruit unless that kid is set on an Ivy education. If not, he would get a better deal at a good, large state university or a place like Duke.”</p>
<p>Agree with TheGFG on this one. That is my sense too. However, I’m going to cross out “athlete” in the first sentence and insert “revenue generating student athlete” to include football, basketball, hockey and lacrosse. Remember this is a business, and these are all private schools with the exception of Cornell which has both a public and private charter. And the good news for those kids is they need lots of them. They still have to stay with the academic rules but their FA package can have more flexibility when and where it needs flexibility.</p>
<p>Right you are, Schmaltz, but our dear ■■■■■ poster in #27 mentions a female hockey player who also supposedly was a beneficiary of one of these mysterious Ivy athletic scholarships. Women’s field hockey, with all due respect, is on the same plane with x-c and probably worse! At least an x-c program can host a large high school and college invitational and make enough money to be largely self-sufficient. An event like that also gets publicity for the school and brings high schoolers to the campus, thereby theoretically boosting applications.</p>
<p>Cross country is obscure? Since when?</p>
<p>It’s not a money maker (though really almost all sports aren’t), but I’m pretty sure almost every high school in America has a cross country team.</p>
<p>First of all, a few posters on here have mentioned that FA packages are all calculated algorithmically at the Ivies. While this is correct for the initial calculation people need to understand that FA packages are 100% negotiable. When I was going through the FA process I negotiated packages with a variety of ivies until they hit my sweet spot. It’s also important to note that packages are made up of loans, gifts/awards/grants (whatever you want to call them - effectively free money), work-study, etc. </p>
<p>Although it has been prominently noted here that Ivies have need-based FA (no scholarships, etc.), they have great leniency in terms of how they structure these packages and by no means need to adhere to very strict criteria. Having had friends go through the athlete recruit process, most were able to secure packages that were 100% grants (no work study or loans)…effectively providing them with a free ride. I think a lot of times when people are referring to “full rides/scholarships/etc” it is meant in this context. This type of leniency in terms of the FA packages does then allow athletes and others (in addition to those that truly need it) to receive what can effectively be called a free ride.</p>
<p>And people need to stop kidding themselves…even wealthy people are able to secure sustantial FA packages, especially if they are athletes. As an example, I have a friend from college who was an olympic athlete, he came from an extremely wealthy family (i.e. 4 homes, private jet, mega yacht, etc.) and he coincidentally got a financial aid package that was comprised entirely of grants…althought it’s technically not called a “scholarship,” I’d say that it is. :)</p>