<p>"Last year, nearly half of early applicants in SEAS were admitted in December..."</p>
<p>If Columbia were to report its combined admittance rates across CC and SEAS, its overall admit rate would rise considerably. It's artifically low right now.</p>
<p>dwharris,</p>
<p>I didn't mean to disaprage Columbia but perhaps my post could be interpreted that way. Regardess, my point was actually the opposite, that Coumbia should report their numbers as a combined number just like every other school. I think they are the only one that reports the numbers separately to US News.</p>
<p>Of course I prefer more data not less. They could still post the disaggregated numbers on their web-site for public viewing.</p>
<p>Zephyr,</p>
<p>The rise in admissions stats would be off-set by an associated rise in their SAT scores. Right now their low admittance rate is actually artificially ow as defined by the other schools that report the 2 components together.</p>
<p>Well, here are the actual numbers: <a href="http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/applications/stats.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/applications/stats.php</a>. The two schools combined yield a rate of 12.8% a rise, but not a big one (over 10.7%). Anyway, this doesn't look like the page of a school that's trying to hide or manipulate something. Notably, U.S. News that coarsening force in higher education and America generally must not think it's a big deal because it doesn't make Columbia report the numbers together. Perhaps in a moment of weakness, Columbia decided that it would rather sacrifice the lower acceptance rate and report the higher SAT scores and class rank. I wish it hadnt, but now it's ever so slightly more like its peers, which play highly strategic games with admissions policies and with something far more important to most students: financial aid.</p>
<p>Yes, they do publish those numbers but why didn't they report them to US News that way? All the other schools reported them the other way.</p>
<p>ED applications were up very slightly (1%) at Duke. It's hard to see any overall pattern or trend yet.</p>
<p>That the others report it that way doesn't prove it's necessary or right. Each school has its own circumstances. At Columbia, if you apply to the College, you have an admissions chance of about 10-11%. If you apply to the Engineering school, you have a chance of about 25-26%. As I said before, transferring between the two schools is quite difficult, so they can be legitimately seen as separate. My "disappointment" with Columbia is that, if Byerly is correct, it changed its policy of separate reporting, possibly to gain a perception advantage. Still, in the manipulation games occasioned by the rankings rat race, it's a venial sin.</p>
<p>dwharris,</p>
<p>I suspect that there is a differential in the acceptance rate and associated SAT scores at almost all of the schools not just Columbia. In fact, I would like to see the breakout at Harvard and other schools just like Columbia provides.</p>
<p>Who knows, perhaps Byerly has that information. He has a lot of stuff.</p>
<p>Many schools maintain separate "schools" within their larger universities, for example, Penn and Berkeley. Why doesn't Wharton report their own scores, considering that it's more than twice as selective as the College?</p>
<p>It's extremely facetious to only report the admissions rates that make one look the most selective.</p>
<p>"facetious"?</p>
<p>Oops. I totally didn't mean to write that word. That's what I get for finishing a SLE paper at 4:30AM the night before.</p>
<p>Slightly under 4,000 -- not such a large decline after all.</p>
<p>Thanks for that article Byerly! I was looking for one.
Hope we can all be part of that "just over 20 percent" that gets admitted!</p>
<p>Suspiciously, no number given. My rule of thumb in such cases is to expect a final hard figure on the lower end of the fuzzy range mentioned. Of course, I could be wrong .....</p>
<p>when will the exact number come out?</p>
<p>Probably tied to a story - in late December or early January - about how many were admitted.</p>
<p>I wonder how many minorities applied. That may hurt my chances in the Puerto Rican group.</p>
<p>dude, I believe (speculating here) that around 200 Latinos and around 300 Blacks applied (taken from the fact that around 1100 blacks apply in total and around 900 latinos). Since we are Latino, that our only concern. Therefore, statistics have shown that out of those 200, most likely 20 will be low-income, 100 Middle class, and the rest wealthy. Now out fo those 200, around 120 of them are mexican. Then out of whats left 30 are puerto rican and another 20 are Cuban. Therefore, around 30 are the rest of the Latin American countries combined (these are domestic applicants with hispanic heritages, not internationals). I mean I am just speculating here, but thats what it seems like.</p>
<p>"Therefore, statistics have shown that out of those 200, most likely 20 will be low-income, 100 Middle class, and the rest wealthy."</p>
<p>Are you kidding? only 20 low-income? that number seems incredibly small
I know your just speculating, but do you think you might be right?</p>
<p>Iduno, just curious cus if so.. that helps me out tremendously</p>
<p>:P</p>
<p>"... While numbers are still preliminary because the processing and reading of applications have not been completed, it appears that the final total will near 4,000. Last year, 4,214 applied; the previous year, 3,889. This year, more women than men have applied - 50.6 percent - and minority students comprise a somewhat larger percentage than last year when Asian Americans totaled 23.2 percent, Latinos 5.7 percent, African Americans 5.2 percent, and Native Americans 0.8 percent."</p>