<p>I love how all the hispanics on this board are completely obssessed with URM...lol</p>
<p>At first I thought that that number was pretty low, then I thought again lol. (mind you this is only latinos, not the rest of the pool). Think about it, who applies to Harvard? What does the name invoke? It is still percieved by the majority of the American population as a school for rich kids. Most minorities dont think about college at all, let alone Harvard. From my experience at Harvard this summer and the kids in my region who are applying, every single latino applicant I have met is rich. Not middle-class, but rich. Even when the adcom visits South Florida, these kids drive up in Mercedes and BMW. I have researched and proded like hell, and I still have yet to meet another low income latino. Therefore, this leads me to conclude that the small amoutn of minorities that do apply to H are actually very well off, thus the small amount of fee waivers. Always remember, they enact all these policies (HFAI, Equal opportunity, etc.) to dispell the image of Harvard and it's association with the top 1% of the economic bracket of the population. Therefore, if you are busy putting food on the table for your family, you arent too concerned with researching Harvard or taking college prep courses.</p>
<p>Ha it was confirmed! Check out Byerly's post (5.7 % were latinos)</p>
<p>thats roughly around 200-300. And around 10% are low income for sure! Damn I am smart! lol</p>
<p>wow that is insane
so would harvard choose an upper class mexican isntead of a low-income mexican?</p>
<p>-another poor mexican boy!</p>
<p>So there are ~210 AA applicants, and ~230 Hispanic applicants in this year's EA pool.</p>
<p>For AA's there are approx. 150 students in each incoming class. Now let's assume that half of them are EA. And now, let's go even further and assume an EA yield rate of around 75% for AA EA applicants, and Harvard probably admitted around 100 AA's into their freshman class thru EA. </p>
<p>Conclusion: Around 50% acceptance rate for AA EA applicants.</p>
<p>For hispanics there are approx. 120 students in each incoming class. Let's make the same assumptions as for AA's, and we end up with around 80 hispanics admitted to the freshman class thru EA.</p>
<p>Conclusion: Around 35% acceptance rate for HA EA applicants.</p>
<p>i`m guessing AA stands for African American?
do you know many Asian American EA applicants there were
this year / what the acceptance percentage is for Asian Americans?</p>
<p>african americans</p>
<p>While I am a proud URM, I honestly don't find it helpful to break down admissions percentages by race... really...</p>
<p>Wow, Byerly! Thanks for that information!</p>
<p>"While I am a proud URM, I honestly don't find it helpful to break down admissions percentages by race... really..."</p>
<p>Well, I disagree with that. I personally think that race plays a fairly large role in admissions when it comes to URM's. I posted those breakdowns mostly because a lot of ppl on the boards (myself included) are interested in seeing them.</p>
<p>Early Action Applications Ebb This Fall</p>
<p>Nearly 4,000 applications received, compared to last years 4,214
Published On Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:59 AM</p>
<p>By DANIEL J. T. SCHUKER
Crimson Staff Writer</p>
<p>Applications for early admission to Harvard College dipped slightly this fall, with nearly 4,000 students vying for spots in the Class of 2010 under the schools nonbinding Early Action program.</p>
<p>Although the admissions office has only made a preliminary assessment of the applicant pool, this falls cohort appears to hold much in common with last years group in its ethnic, socioeconomic, and geographic composition.</p>
<p>Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid William R. Fitzsimmons 67 said he was pleased that the number of candidates has held relatively steady since the College changed its early admission policy in 2003.</p>
<p>Now that weve had three years to look at it, it appears that weve been able to stabilize the Early Admission program, he said.</p>
<p>In the fall of 2002when, in an effort to comply with national guidelines, the admissions office allowed students to apply simultaneously to Harvard and to other Early Action schoolsmore than 7,600 applicants sent in early admission applications.</p>
<p>After Harvard reinstated its policy of single-choice Early Actionmeaning that students who apply early to Harvard under the schools nonbinding program cannot apply early to any other collegesthe College saw a sharp drop in the size of its early applicant pool, handling 3,889 applications in 2003 and 4,214 applications in 2004.</p>
<p>Fitzsimmons said that the College has admitted just over 20 percent of the students who applied early during each of the past two years, but noted that its way too early to determine the quality of the applicant pool.</p>
<p>The admissions office does not admit a fixed number of its Early Action applicants, he explained. Instead, it considers each application on a case-by-case basis.</p>
<p>Columbia, Duke, and Stanford all saw slight increases in the size of their early applicant pools this fall.</p>
<p>Spokespeople for several other peer schools were not available for comment last night or said that they had not yet released their early-admission figures.</p>
<p>Fitzsimmons said the number of students this fall requesting fee waivers on their applications is almost identical to the number last year, when the fraction of students asking for waivers jumped nearly 50 percent from 2003, to 215.</p>
<p>The admissions office attributed the sustained increase principally to the new Harvard Financial Aid Initiative, under which the College no longer requires parental contributions from families with annual incomes below $40,000. The initiative also reduces the cost to families earning under $60,000 per year.</p>
<p>According to Fitzsimmons, the number of students requesting fee waivers is a pretty good indication that they will be eligible for the new initiatives.</p>
<p>In addition, slightly more minority students applied early to Harvard this fall, with small increases among Asian Americans, African Americans, and Latinos, he added.</p>
<p>Were encouraged by the diversity of the pool, he said.</p>
<p>Fitzsimmons said Harvards early applicant pool this fall is stunningly close to last years group with respect to its geographic composition and likely academic interests.</p>
<p>The Early Action Admissions Committee will begin considering the candidates today and plans to finish its deliberations on Dec. 9.</p>
<p>Students who have requested electronic notifications will receive e-mails from the admissions office on Dec. 14. Letters informing the applicants of their admissions status will be sent out the following day.</p>
<p>Staff writer Daniel J. T. Schuker can be reached at <a href="mailto:dschuker@fas.harvard.edu">dschuker@fas.harvard.edu</a>.</p>
<p>I find eyezonharvard's calculations (50% admit rate for Early-Action African Americans, 35% admit rate for Early-Action Hispanice Americans) ... shocking ... and consequently, interesting.</p>
<p>I doubt that even legacies enjoy such high admit rates for Early Action ...</p>
<p>Yeah ... okay... but what I meant by that was
As a URM, I've always strived to be competitive with everyone else and not focus on numbers only for my race. That is all.</p>
<p>Didn't mean to pick on your post that way; I have every reason to believe you are accomplished in your own right.</p>
<p>Yes, you've said that before, and that's very commendable. However, holding yourself to the same standard as non-URM's, is not in contradiction with trying to find out how you stand as far as the college admissions process is concerned.</p>
<p>Yes, it's true that if you hadn't held yourself to the standards of non-URM's; you'd suck like 95% of URM's out there - after all, that's why they're "underrepresented", because they suck for a variety of reasons (economic, teenage black/hispanic culture that is hostile to academics, etc...)</p>
<p>But now that you've reached the goals that you've set for yourself, it's time to learn how you really stand in the college admissions process. The way to do that is to look at the admissions figures for URM's (in your case AA I believe?). White students do the same thing, and so do Asians. Looking at your chances based on racial strata is not merely a URM phenomenon. It may be more pronounced among URM's, but that's because of Affirmative Action and the absence of any reliable figures on URM admissions from colleges. White students don't have to do all this statistical digging because they make up an overwhelming majority of the student body, which generally means that the overall statistics of admissions of all the races correlate well with those of whites. </p>
<p>The same thing doesn't apply for Asians, but there's a wealth of information about Asian admission rates at colleges, their performance on the SAT etc...Furthermore, the admissions criteria for Asians are fairly close to Whites. </p>
<p>URM's on the other hand (and I'm repeating myself here) don't have reliable statistics. Statistics on the performance of URM's on everything from the SAT to admissions rates is extremely difficult to find. As a result, URM's tend to spend a seemingly inordinate amount of time trying figure out their "Real chances", when compared to their Asian and White counterparts. But perhaps the biggest factor here is that URM's are held to a lower standard than other applicants. As a result, URM's have to constantly second-guess the adcoms on what their chances are when deciding to apply at a particular. </p>
<p>Sorry to be long-winded, but I just had to get that out there.</p>
<p>The flap with Summers accounts for the drop. Probably less men applied, figuring H will have to favor women this year as reparations for Summers opening his mouth.</p>
<p>Bryely do you think those numbers are accurate fuzzy predictions of this year's URM results? </p>
<p>and i second the question about recalculated asian minority "chances"... :D</p>
<p>"The flap with Summers accounts for the drop. Probably less men applied, figuring H will have to favor women this year as reparations for Summers opening his mouth."</p>
<p>Or, much more likely and much less ludicrous, it's due to students applying early to other schools.</p>
<p>Byerly and NorthStarMom are both on my buddy list, and I'm not even sure if any of my children will ever apply to Harvard. My oldest son has some subject interests that MIGHT warrant an application to Harvard (he has a different favorite school at his current age, but is still learning a lot about various colleges). For me, because I used to have business meetings at Harvard, Harvard is an easy campus for me to visualize and to remember fondly. I hang out here just to get the latest news from Harvard, and I appreciate what Byerly says about his beloved alma mater--even though I root for a different college football team.</p>