Well, it seems that real, practiced equality is too much for females at Harvard. This is hilarious. Who educates student to think like this and think they come of as logical?
I think it would be wonderful for females to get an exception. Then this would be exposed for what it is, and then males may have grounds to sue.
^^ Agreed.
Just look at the word used in the article, “punished.” Requiring equality of treatment for all is now considered a punishment.
Hello students, if everyone is treated the same, then no one is being punished by the policy; the policy is doing exactly what students often say they want - to be respected and treated as the same, responsible human beings. Unless, of course, what is really wanted is special treatment for some and punishment for others, not true equality.
EDIT: However, there is some consistency here. This is no different than the free speech fiasco going on at colleges. Free speech only exists at many schools if a certain cadre of students agree with what is being said. If these students do not agree, then they need to run and hide and also try to get the speaker punished. This request by some Harvard females is no different in its warped logic.
@Hanna-- My point about the clubs was meant to rebut the poster who said the majority of the assaults reported took place in the dorms/houses, so the clubs were innocent. Obviously assaults can take place anywhere but the statistics show a high majority take place in campus spaces, but I suspect the alcohol and the location of the initial hookup is often the final club spaces.
To the other posters–if the final clubs want to survive, they simply need to go coed, like Princeton eating clubs. If students don’t like Harvard’s private college policies, they can go to a state school where there are more protected freedoms.
Oddly enough, Princeton’s private eating clubs were forced to go coed via a federal discrimination lawsuit. I don’t agree with the legal theory there, though it certainly worked. And nowadays no student at Princeton gives this a second thought; for the undergrads, coed clubs are just the way it’s always been.
^Eating clubs are officially recognized campus organizations at Princeton and thus Princeton is responsible for them. Final Clubs are not officially recognized campus organizations at Harvard and thus Harvard is not responsible for them. Apples and Oranges.
I think you slightly misunderstand my point. I’m saying the title IX excuse is a fabrication to make it seem like this isn’t just about dismantling the finals clubs. You’re right, expelling students would be extreme. Just like how in 1984 all they did was derecognize them instead of punish people. They are progressing along the continuum, but want to make it sound like they are being pushed somewhat rather than choosing to keep going entirely of their own volition.
This is less of an issue than most people think, so it’s more of a stance on principle: Finals club presidents are usually too busy exploiting their white male privilege to accept any other positions of actual benefit to their college or society.
I imagine this would have a larger impact on the all-female clubs, since their members tend to branch out more.
I think you should win an award for embedding multiple stereotypes in a single sentence.
I can speak from firsthand experience, so it’s not entirely a stereotype… 
That animated emoticon is the worst…sorry about that. No way to delete after 15 minutes in CC land…so oops.
@ivysource Not quite how stereotypes work. I’m not about to defend people with privilege, but if you are categorizing a group of people based on anecdotal experience, that’s exactly what stereotyping is.
That’s not how sarcasm works either…
This applies to female only groups too. Males are not a victim group. More neo-reactionary clickbait promoted by the admins because controversy brings them more adviews.
I’d much rather Harvard not listen to the kind of neckbeard who thinks it’s acceptable to call others “feminazis” and “sjws”, the latter of which is a completely meaningless buzzword.
This, is by far, one of the most stupid things a so called “Bastion of education” I have ever heard a supposedly "elite: school do. Mark my words, Ivy League schools are declining, one day it’ll be better to go to a state school.
@EliteKid Uh no, not even close. Only someone who went to a state school and feels jealous would even say that.
SJW isn’t a meaningless buzzword (it’s only meaningless to you because you detest it). It denotes someone who sees marginalization at every turn without critically thinking whether or not the perceived injustice is indeed injustice. It also denotes a person who can’t deal with reality.
@ EliteKid:State schools aren’t much better with dealing with these sorta of PC made-up non-issues. Mizzou BLM; Illinois expanding on its gen. ed; Wisconsin’s recent student government elections. The list goes on. Privates not as highly ranked as the Ivies have also seen it’s fair share of SJW’s melting in broad daylight (see: Emory Trump chalking).
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It’s also amusing that people have expressed that they don’t like final’s club because they perceive it as elitist, when Harvard is one of the most selective universities in the world, having a 6% acceptance rate for 2016. The university’s class of 2019 received 37,307 applicants - only accepting 2, 080 students. The percent accepted was slightly lower than 2016.
If sexual assault is the actual issue being addressed, banning Greek organizations and finals clubs seems like a very blunt instrument. It’s like banning cars to stop drunk driving. Surely the problematic behaviors could be addressed in a more direct manner?
On the other hand, if the real issue is trying to open up “old boy” networks for recruiting and networking, forcing finals clubs to integrate is more logical (whether or not you agree with the concept). But it seems to leave fraternities and sororities out in the cold. And it is not clear why they wouldn’t force other single-gender, non-sports groups to integrate.