<p>hehehe </p>
<p>I am only applying to the ivies..I am happy at my current university, this is more of a dream that I didn't pursue when I was a freshmen, but should have</p>
<p>what is to be royally feared for Harvard Transfers?</p>
<p>nsped, please find source of this statement:</p>
<p>Nightsky is dark.</p>
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I have already presented my argument
1. transfer applicant pool is more diverse, features both amazing academic elite and socially mature older person, while the freshman pool feature more or less, well, academic elite.
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<p>So you are an adcom? You have seen every applicant's file? Please give me some pointers!</p>
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2. percentage-wise, less transfer students are taken each year.
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<p>The fact that there are nearly 23,000 applicants for freshman spots outweighs any percentage you can deliver.</p>
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Ok, let me use an analogy nspeds. Ebola virus, the virus that is capable of eating person alive, have a near 100% lethality if the virus is injected.(only exception is a guy working in Porton Down, he was treated with half of the British national supplie of interferon and anti-virus serums) However, there are only about 400 people killed by this virus.</p>
<p>Comparing to flu, tens of thousands people die yearly, killed by flu. Are you going to tell me, according to your facts, flu is more lethal than ebola because more people die every year?
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<p>Fallacy of the false analogy; perhaps this year, instead of enrolling in a course on intercourse, logic might have proved more useful.</p>
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You make a good lawyer I see, because you are so good at twisting facts around.
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<p>The facts were presented, unaltered, from the link I provided.</p>
<p>Umm..I think it's kinda messed up that you said CC students are not to be feared..</p>
<p>Well nsped, you go ahead and call my logic fallacy, but if the common people cannot find logic in your "logic", consider retake your logic class.</p>
<p>and yes, I have talked to the adcoms. However this conversation was between an adcom of a school that I did not choose to apply to and it was confidential.</p>
<p>I will discontinue to flame you, in order to preserve a good atmosphere in this board. Lawyer wanna-be like you takes a better lawyer to tell that you are wrong, since a common person like myself wouldn't be trusted in front of your all seeing eyes.</p>
<p>blackdream,</p>
<p>I agree with nspeds. The information you are providing on this forum is uncorroborated.</p>
<p>You really need a course or at least some introduction to logic. Your "arguments" are lousy.</p>
<p>nikki, CC students are to be respected, but they may not necessarily present the potential to be FEARED.</p>
<p>let me elaborate myself.</p>
<p>I don't fear a CC student because I know i can possibly achieve their level (being a CC student myself)</p>
<p>but you simply CANNOT compete with an ivy student, given a 4.0 GPA, their GPA worth more than you. in some case, THEY CANNOT BE BEATEN.</p>
<p>A person cannot be beaten with your current circumstance is to be feared.</p>
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Well nsped, you go ahead and call my logic fallacy, but if the common people cannot find logic in your "logic", consider retake your logic class.
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<p>That does not make any sense.</p>
<p>modestman, let's stop flaming each other. And answer this question.</p>
<p>Is it easier to transfer into Harvard or get in as a freshman.</p>
<p>Based on the evidence nspeds bestowed upon us, and its verifiability, and the evidence you bestowed, along with its (lack of) verifiability, it is easier to transfer into Harvard.</p>
<p>to posses the "they can not be beaten" attitude is exactly why the whole "elitest" mentality exists.</p>
<p>while i by no means am undermining the ivy league schools, i really have a HARD time agreeing with your attitude.</p>
<p>modestman, go take a look at Harvard admission site yourself.</p>
<p>Any fool can make up bogus infomation (even quotes) on this board.</p>
<p>and Nikki, sorry about the attitude. But do realize that there are things in life that cannot be achieved, cannot be beaten.</p>
<p>Pertaining to blackdream's argument about the "fear" of CC students, he is wrong for two reasons:</p>
<p>1) (Somewhat similar to game theory argument) If the preponderance of applicants to Harvard were CC students, then more students from 4 year colleges would apply due to the "lack of competition."
2) I will admit that the previous argument is somewhat shaky. My avowal brings me no harm, however, since blackdream does not give any statistical data which warrants his view that the preponderance of applicants to Harvard are CC. Until he does, all of his claims are pure speculation.</p>
<p>i think my stand is that applicant pool of harvard is not composed of CC student as a majority. as a matter of fact, Stanford's transfer applicant pool is also composed of 4 year transfers.</p>
<p>I am not getting paid for proper quoting techniques on a INTERNET forum. if you are curious, hit <a href="http://www.stanford.edu%5B/url%5D">www.stanford.edu</a>.</p>
<p>I will take logic class, thanks for the suggestion, so far my focus had been in natural science.</p>
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i think my stand is that applicant pool of harvard is not composed of CC student as a majority. as a matter of fact, Stanford's transfer applicant pool is also composed of 4 year transfers.
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<p>AND...</p>
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newhaven04, when you are transfering to normal schools, your competitions are mostly from community college. Largely, they are not to be feared.
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<p>You are all a witness...:)</p>
<p>This is a dead end folks,</p>
<p>instead of throwing transfer and freshmen admission stats at eachother, there is a better approach; ask people here to answer based on their personal experiences.</p>
<p>AS A TRANSFER APPLICANT NOW, DO YOU FEEL YOU ARE A STRONGER CANDIDATE AFTER HAVING A YEAR OR SO OF UNIVERSITY BEHIND YOU? WE YOU A WEAKER APPLICANT AS A FRESHMEN?</p>
<p>From my own experiences, I can say that I am WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more competitive now for sure...no doubt. In high school, I had done some really great stuff, but in my freshmen year at university I did some phenomenal stuff that far surpassed the secondary years.</p>
<p>normal school: by definition, school not as prestigous as Harvard.</p>
<p>yes, you maybe a STRONGER applicant, but note your competitions are tend to be stronger as well. A year of college simply let you do more things.</p>
<p>thanks for the replies every one</p>
<p>listen, i think a few things need to be addresssed:</p>
<p>1) blackdream's point about a certain number of freshman applicants being "throwaway" applications is moot, simply because he a) cannot prove it, and b) the odds are there are a number of "throwaway" transfer applicants as well</p>
<p>2) i think everyone can agree that in terms of stats, freshmen are usually stronger and transfers weaker, as evidenced by the harvard admissions website and simple common sense</p>
<p>3) the transfer applicants surely have accomplished more and are more varied, as they have had more time to accomplish stuff and come from many different walks of life.</p>
<p>simply, a freshman must deal with the problems of sheer numbers and higher stats in competition for harvard, and a transfer must deal with more and more varied non-academic accomplishments and life stories. Both must deal with very low acceptance rates (4% is not a statistically significant difference). </p>
<p>thus, both have their own issues to deal with, and are difficult in their own ways. comparing the two with the goal of determining "which is more difficult" is pointless, because they are both difficult in different ways.</p>
<p>I am yet to see a greater display of sophistry on these boards. The question at the heart of the dispute is not one that can be resolved through rational argumentation. Simply put, the dispute hinges on which criteria is a better indicator of real world competativeness: relative or nominal terms. It seems small-minded to assert one is the absolute indicator and the other to be trite.</p>