Harvard V Oxford - Ugrad

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>I am a senior student from Asia and plan to apply to both universities in the Uk - Oxbridge and in the USA - The Ivy League. In addition to others....</p>

<p>In terms of field of study, I am starting to tend towards the Social Sciences; Economics, Business..... But naturally care about reputation and brand name as well</p>

<p>Many have told me that the Uk is better for UGRAD education as they place a good emphasis on undergraduate, whereas the US universities place more on RESEARCH AND GRADUATE Programs and have undergraduate degrees which are more general and broad. (hence one program being 3 and the other 4 years..)</p>

<p>As a senior student here I have had a braod education, taking 11 subjects in my senior year. (all of which would be equivalent to or near Honors level)</p>

<p>Which would be better if you have both, and NO FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES?</p>

<p>I really dont know where I want to work, but I have a European passport and a green card so i am keep to work in the west. I am well aware that going to the Uk does not stop one from working in the US and vice versa but do they in some way handicap you ?</p>

<p>Thank you very much in advance for your help!</p>

<p>Previous discussion on this topic:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=153048%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=153048&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I also had a similar dilemma of choosing between the Ivies and, in my case, Cambridge. I eventually chose Cam to do economics.</p>

<p>I think you rightly pointed out that US unis have larger endowments and put more emphasis on research work and hence most people agree that they have the best grad schools. </p>

<p>But at UG level, I believe its very hard to compare US and UK unis because they both have advantages and disadvantages. It's needless to say that all top unis push you hard but overall, in terms of admission selectivity, quality of teaching and reputation, I would say that top Ivies and Oxbridge are neck and neck. </p>

<p>American schools provides better resources like better maintained sports facilities, newer computers and so on. For example, Princeton rooms have wireless internet, but some Cam rooms don't even have wired internet. So in this area, you'll probably have a more 'luxurious' education in the US. However one can argue that Oxbridge possess more tradition, history and also the most beautiful architecture amongst all universities. Some ppl might prefer that to the american cutting edge technology.</p>

<p>About the curriculum, the american one is less focussed as most US schools require you to take a broad range of courses, while the british only allow you to explore one subject in depth (although you can usually take additional languages as certificates ). Which one is better?....just a matter of preference. I knew I'm definite going to do economics. I know it'd be interesting if I can take classes in physics or philosophy, but it doesn't bother me if I can't.</p>

<p>Onto the student body, from my own experiences, american students, even at the top end of colleges, are less academically orientated than Oxbridge pupils. This is most probably due to the fact that US colleges stress so much on accepting people with extracurricular talents or 'well-roundedness', whereas Oxbridge only cares how well you think and how hard you work. Also, people in the US, in general, are more career minded (most go to ibanking, consultancy so they're more cutthroat) and care <em>a little</em> bit less about drinking (due to drinking age limit?).</p>

<p>Job wise, Ivies and Oxbridge are both great, provided that you stay in that particular country to work. If you want to work in new york, then Ivies; if london, then Oxbridge. Though, I think the alumni network in the Ivies are better maintained and so american schools probably have a more successful record of placing ppl into top jobs and grad schools. </p>

<p>In terms of international prestige though, esp. in SE Asia, I'm sure that only Harvard can rival Oxbridge.</p>

<p>Well...in the end, no one can say for sure which is better. Some prefer the modern sports cars (Ivies), some prefer the vintage classics (Oxbridge). Afterall, its only UG ...so there's no need to care too much about career opps or other things. Just choose the one where you think you'll enjoy yourself the most. I personally thought that going Oxbridge is a unique chance to indulge in the wonderful tradition, academic atmosphere etc etc.</p>

<p>Nowadays, most ppl go to grad schools to get phds/mba anyway, so a Oxbridge undergrad + a Ivies post grad will give you the best of both worlds, IMO, and also give you a chance to really judge for yourselves which side of the pond you prefer. :)</p>

<p>According to an article in The Times, England's largest newspaper, Harvard and Yale are "the two greatest universities in the world," have "far surpassed" Oxbridge in prestige, and are perceived to be much less "elitist" than Oxbridge.</p>

<p>Well, I think Oxbridge admission system is very meritocratic compared to Harvard and Yale's. </p>

<p>At least Oxbridge has a thorough interviewing system to select the best minds, and, unlike in the US, does not favour athletes/legacies etc etc.</p>

<p>Check has summarized things quite nicely...</p>

<p>Oxford and Cambridge are known as elite schools in just about every country around the world. Harvard is obviously well known in the US and is also known by most people around the world, but most of the other Ivy League schools are not that well known outside the US outside of academic circles.</p>

<p>Oxbridge is arguably a more academically rigerous environment than Harvard and the undergraduates are more academically focused. For one, Harvard has a poor reputation for 'grade inflation' and many argue that this means Harvard dosen't do enough to truly challenge its undergraduates. At Oxbridge, it's a bit different for each subject but generally only the top 10-15% get the top marks in exams. Getting a 'first' from Oxbridge actually carries some weight, but graduating with a bunch of A's from Harvard probably dosen't to the same extent. </p>

<p>The student body at Oxbridge is also more academically focused. Oxbridge admissions are based purely on academic ability and nothing else. Harvard interviews, often with alumni, are more about personal experiences and 'fit' whereas Oxbridge interviews are with faculty and are academically rigerous. Furthermore, it's no secret that there are various 'back doors' into the Ivy Leage. It's sad but true that for the Ivy League daddy's checkbook in the form of a nice fat donation might be able to cover up those smudges on the transcript but the only way to get into Oxbridge as an undergrad is to just be the elite of the elite.</p>