<p>this whole argument sure is going somewhere...</p>
<p>Schlaraffenland: Stanford, for graduates at least, ranks first in USNews. </p>
<p>As for my "lousy"argument, I'm trying to counter the idea that Harvard is "the ultimate" and "all the best students go there."</p>
<p>Harvard is harvard is harvard</p>
<p>It is said and recognized:</p>
<p>Two best medical schools: Harvard, JHU</p>
<p>Three best law schools (aka Trinity): Harvard Yale Stanford</p>
<p>Five best business schools: Harvard, UPenn, Stanford, UChicago, Kellog</p>
<p>As you see, H is the only univ that has the entity on the professiosal school ranking charts. </p>
<p>However, for an undergraduate level education, there probably is no difference between the two. I would probably throw in "YPM" just to the following list.</p>
<p>Best undergraduate univiersities: "HSYPM"</p>
<p>Now everyone is happy.</p>
<p>=)</p>
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<p>You did a poor job.</p>
<p>Chelsea Clinton chose Stanford over Harvard (and over other schools). I don't think this should be a deciding factor though, nor should the statistics on where other kids go when given this choice. Best to visit and decide where one would prefer to be for 4 years. Both are top schools.</p>
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<li><p>I wasn't aware that Chelsea Clinton, now 26, was admitted to Harvard. Link?</p></li>
<li><p>Whatever happened to her, anyway? The last Google mention of her was "Chelsea Clinton catches on fire! Her terror as hair goes up in flames while celebrating her birthday!" (The National Enquirer)</p></li>
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<p>addendum: I find that she was, indeed, accepted for the Class of 2001, and may even have gotten a "likely letter." At the time, her mother reported that Chelsea's career objective was to be "a doctor."</p>
<p>Your bro went to Stanford. There's no guarantee that you will get into either Harvard or Stanford. Based on this, I'd have to go with the one that gave me the best shot of getting in. That means I'd pick Stanford EA.</p>
<p>I picked Stanford over Harvard (for SCEA) mainly because of the campus and the location.</p>
<p>You are alone in your decision to choose Stanford over Harvard because of location.</p>
<p>Not really. I would choose Palo Alto over Cambridge.</p>
<p>Of course!!! Go Stanford :).</p>
<p>Well, everyone has their preferences.</p>
<p>dsmo, does Stanford early really help more than Harvard early? I'd heard it was the other way around.</p>
<p>You would be right.</p>
<p>Harvard likes to maximize their matriculation rate.</p>
<p>Zephyr,</p>
<p>You don't think Stanford likes to maximize their matriculation rate? Or Princeton? Or Yale? Or MIT? Or Northwestern? Or Penn? Or ... name any university on the USNWR top 100?</p>
<p>You really have become quite blinded by your insecurity.
What's funny is that you try to speak with this air of authority as if you had even the tiniest shred of an iota of a clue, but it so obviously is not from any actual experience... give it up already. You don't know what you're talking about more than half the time.</p>
<p>Prestige is based on location. In the West, Stanford is at the top. On the show 24 (I was just watching it) they mention Stanford about 5 times because it is the most prestigious school in the west. When I lived in California, my parents always said if you do well in school, you can go to Stanford. I'm guessing that if you lived in the East most of your life, you look at Harvard, Yale and Princeton the same way. If you live in the South, you most likely look at Duke and Emory the same way. Living everywhere but the south, I don't know about Emory at all, even though someone once said on this site that it is the Harvard of the south. (Or maybe it was Vanderbilt, I don't know much about either.) This debate is pointless on the basis of prestige because both will do just fine at getting you into grad school, a good job, the White House, whatever you want. So don't debate prestige, focus on more superficial things like whether the school gets snow.</p>
<p>Harvard does, Stanford doesn't. I prefer snow.</p>
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<p>I can agree with Harvard, Penn, Stanford, and Kellogg.</p>
<p>But Chicago I would say is highly dicey. A lot of observers would actually choose to swap out Chicago with MIT-Sloan or maybe Columbia in the top 5. </p>
<p>Chicago GSB is definitely a top school, don't get me wrong. But you look at the peer assessment and recruiter rankings of USNews and you see that MIT-Sloan actually outscores Chicago. Sloan grads also earn a higher salary and exhibit a higher rate of employment immediately after graduation and 3 months after graduation.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that it's not clear to me that Chicago is automatically more worthy of inclusion in the top 5 over Sloan or Columbia.</p>
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<p>Well, no, I would say that even in the West (and everywhere else), Harvard still has the most prestige over anybody. Whether we like it or not, Harvard is Harvard. Harvard has the best cultivated brand name in the world. I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I have to recognize reality.</p>
<p>For what its worth, the most recent Gallup Poll (run every 4 years) asking Americans which college they consider the Nation's "best" had Harvard a runaway winner in all regions, with Stanford and Yale tied for a distant second.</p>
<p>The next Gallup survey will be run in 2007.</p>
<p><a href="http://live.psu.edu/story/3883%5B/url%5D">http://live.psu.edu/story/3883</a></p>