Harvard vs. Yale vs. Stanford vs. Wharton vs. Princeton

<p>I feel very grateful for being accepted into these colleges. However, I am now faced with a difficult decision of choosing. (I did not have the chance to visit any of these colleges.)</p>

<p>So far, the financial aid packages I have received from all of the schools are terrible. (Still have not received one from Harvard yet though...) However, I have received a very nice scholarship from my state school, which is top 10 in undergraduate business, that pays between 30-40% of my total expenses.</p>

<p>I am interested in pursuing business/finance, but I'm not 100% sure. Yes, I am aware that most of these schools don't have business programs, just economics. I know many people say that I should not substitute business for an economics degree because the two fields are completely different, and I should only study them if I find it interesting. Luckily, I do find economics interesting so all is well. :)</p>

<p>However, I am completely confused on which college I should pick. All of them are prestigious definitely, so I do not think I can use that as an argument about which university is better. (Unfortunately, my parents are "prestige-oriented", which is super annoying, and they are kinda pushing me to go to Harvard, but in the end it is my decision.)</p>

<p>I have started doing research in each schools and I just find it so confusing. Every time I read student reviews, it all contradicts with each other. And of course, each school website I go to will boast of its programs in the positive light so I don't know what to believe in anymore. </p>

<p>I regret not visiting colleges, and I have one month to decide. I may visit Harvard on a weekend though, so we'll see :)</p>

<p>** However, from your experiences at Harvard, what is your opinion? How are the students' personalities? Is the atmosphere laid-back, pre-professional, intellectual, etc.? Are the professors accessible and are they good teachers, or just good researchers? Since everybody at Harvard is competing with each other to get to do research with professors and job opportunities, was it hard for you to secure those types of research/employment? Is the student life good?</p>

<p>Also, how accurate are the surveys that a significant percentage Harvard students are "depressed"?</p>

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Thank you very much for whatever comment you can give to help me!</p>

<p>Visit. Talk to the faculty. Sit in on classes. If you’re still unsure, roll a dice. </p>

<p>(Or just pick Harvard:p!)</p>

<p>I never considered it as students “competing with each other to do research with professors”—half of the student body are humanity-oriented or never even consider research as an activity, and there are more than enough positions going around for everyone else. This is why it’s good that the school is big and it admits a student body comprised of people of different interests. The rest of the questions I can’t really help you with, because people are just so different :o.</p>

<p>When my Ds considered Harvard, I had some trepidation because I thought it could be intimidating. I’d heard about the supposed lack of “undergrad focus” and envisioned a place with a stifling sense of elitism. Nothing could have been farther from the truth. The campus, faculty, and staff have been exceptionally welcoming and accommodating. Our whole family has found the culture of the College to be very undergrad-focused, diverse in every imaginable way, and whatever the adjectives are that would be the opposite of haughty and stuffy. The girls have had many one-on-one sessions with profs - even some of the stars - including home cookouts. Their residential college experiences have been outstanding. D1’s live-in Faculty House Master in her residential college made the Time 100 list last year as one of the world’s 100 most influential people. D1 adored him and used to house-sit his dog. She graduated last spring, but she and he are still active Facebook friends. </p>

<p>The fact that all the students are amazing at something tends to inject a certain dose of humility into nearly everyone. Our Ds have friends from very humble as well as wealthy backgrounds, from just about every region of the nation and the world. We go up to the campus and take them and their friends out to dinner; I feel really fortunate to have the experience of being in a setting like that surrounded by such interesting, funny, witty, charming, dazzling young people. Growing up in a small town, our Ds yearned to meet friends like the ones they now have, and didn’t know if they’d ever have this kind of opportunity. It’s exceeded their wildest dreams. </p>

<p>The three campus life distinctives at Harvard, IMO, are the diversity, the level and intensity of extracurricular involvement, and the almost unbelievable degree to which the College will facilitate student-initiated projects. You’ll find that half the gospel choir is not African-American - there are white students, Hispanic students, students in turbans, yarmulkes, etc. They all clap and sway while they sing spirituals, the Jewish kids and the Asian kids and the Arab kids all embracing the gospel choir culture as their own. As a Southerner from a culture in which black and white Georgians tend to live parallel but non-intersecting lives, it made me cry the first time I saw it. The Harvard break-dance troupe is majority Asian. The South Asian student annual production includes students from all races and nationalities. Everyone is involved on campus and all seem to support one another’s activities and performances. Music and theatre are not only well-attended, but often reach a professional touring-production quality. And there is no limit in proposing a program of audacious reach. Our older D went to China a few years ago to teach in a program for outstanding Chinese HS students. Students from all across the country applied and those selected came to Shanghai for a two-week, live-in symposium, all taught by Harvard undergrads. When I asked D1 which department sponsored the program, she looked at me with disdain and said no department was in charge of it - the students were. The College had only evaluated the students’ proposal and provided the funding for everything but instructor airfare!</p>

<p>My wife and I graduated from Wake Forest - a good school that I love, which had only 2,900 undergrads when we attended in the '70s. The undergraduate focus at Harvard is way, way beyond anything that was available to us at Wake.</p>

<p>Here’s my analysis on what’s sometimes perceived and reported as negativity from Harvard students (gleaned from asking H students). I think it’s three-fold; in order of least to most substantial sources:</p>

<p>1) H students tend to be analytical and critique things. It’s one of the ways that they got to H.</p>

<p>2) H students are less likely to view their campus through rose-colored glasses. Most of the rest of us chose our college because we fell in love with some aspect of it - the campus was pretty, the sports teams were top-ranked, the student tour guide was hot, etc. Some H students fell in love with the school; many others made less emotional decisions to choose H because they didn’t want to go through life having wondered what it would have been like to have gone to H. They’re typically willing to offer candid assessments - good and bad - that aren’t based on infatuation.</p>

<p>3) (I believe this is the big one.) H is the only school in America that has no aspirational peer institution that it’s trying to catch. Georgia Tech and Emory students will tell you that their school is tops, or else they fear they’ll fall behind the other in your opinion. I have a college guide in which students describe their school in exactly five words - the Yale student description is “So much better than Harvard.” When you want to catch the school that’s just ahead of you, you grumble in private and praise publicly. H students, perhaps uniquely in American higher ed, are comfortable telling it like it is, good and bad about their university, secure in the knowledge that after whatever praise or criticism they share, H will still be the standard-bearer among universities.</p>

<p>gadad, thank you for that post. Super informative! :)</p>

<p>^ that was a fantastic post, and a really valuable take for those of us trying to make decisions. thank you.</p>

<p>Gadad, my D is deciding btwn H & P. Your informtion on Harvard is very helpful! Thank you.</p>

<p>I can’t match GADad’s post but can offer you my opinion of a Yale alum:</p>

<p>Since I only attended one undergrad, I can only offer you my reflections. I applied to and was accepted at other Ivies but didn’t apply to H. Why? Never made it to the presentations and it just got too busy. If I investigated, perhaps I would have and life may have taken another turn. As is is, I had a ball at my alma mater and can’t imagine life having not become a “Bulldog”. Years later, I was at a large alumni function in Chicago where Yale’s president and retinue attended. During the reception I was chatting with one of the attendents who, I discovered, had gone to H for college and Y for grad. In the course of the conversation, I said:“We’ve heard the stereotypes of H versus Y. How true are they?” He said: “After graduating from Harvard, I felt there was nothing I couldn’t accomplish.” I thought: “That’s some praise!”. Then he continued: “But I loved Yale”.</p>

<p>What’s that all mean? You’ll get lots of opinions. You need to now form your own. Ask what’s important to your advisors. Ask how that changed during college. Ask if they’d change anything.</p>

<p>You have quite the dilemma. Best of luck to you (even if you choose Harvard! LOL)</p>

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<p>I had almost the exact conversation with my Harvard interviewer who went to Yale for grad school…</p>

<p>felix: how did your interviewer reply?</p>

<p>I’m curious about this as well (deciding between HYPS) and posting here just so it ends up in my subscribed threads. Looking forward to reading future replies!</p>

<p>Just go to Harvard.</p>

<p>Regarding H’s alleged lack of undergrad focus: My S at H has had many opportunities, in several departments, to become involved with faculty. He’s only had one class bigger than 100 (but he’s still a freshman). But he’s been aggressive about taking advantage of the opportunities that H has to offer. Maybe some undergrads wait for the university to come find them; I was one such undergrad and it never happened. But I’ve seen, in S and his roommates and friends, that if you want to get involved beyond your classes, the opportunities are boundless at H.</p>

<p>^^ I tend to agree. I think the rep that “Harvard is not focused on the undergrads” will always be trumped by the individual who takes advantages of his/her opportunities. It’s like that stat you often hear at college info sessions, the student to teacher ratio. People boast “ours is 12:1” or “ours is 8:1” – but this is meaningless if the student is a wallflower! For that kid, it wouldn’t matter if it were a 1:1 ratio. </p>

<p>Harvard students who open their mouths get attention. Will you be one?</p>