<p>i'm hoping for this honor, although very aware it's unlikely. however, i just got a marquis scholarship from lafayette so i'm hoping that maybe i'll be just as lucky at smith, and honestly if money weren't an issue i would say i prefer smith above laf.</p>
<p>I believe Zollman, STRIDE and Dunn scholarships won't be communicated until acceptances have been sent.</p>
<p>thanks- btw, what are dunn scholarships? haven't heard of those
although i have head of stride, which is what, like 1k per year?</p>
<p>I dunno, BJM. I remember that D received a "tip" on her STRIDE a few days before official notification of admittance. I thought it had the same effect as an "early write," if only by a few days. That one was definitely by US snail mail, not e-mail or any kind of express service.</p>
<p>passionflower here is the link to scholarships.
<a href="http://www.smith.edu/finaid/prospect/aid_merit.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.smith.edu/finaid/prospect/aid_merit.php</a>
Zollman = 1/2 tuition + STRIDE research
STRIDE = $5000 per year + research stipend of $1700 for first two years
Dunn = $3000</p>
<p>TD, you very well may be right. As you know, my D applied EDII, and maybe that is the difference; I dunno.</p>
<p>My D was just notified by Priority Mail of her admission with a Zollman scholarship + STRIDE. Was accepted to MIT same day. Interesting choice: Mom went to Smith, Dad to MIT!.</p>
<p>Congratulations to you D, CD. Two great choices, two very different choices.</p>
<p>Hmm...Priority Mail. Okay, at least I was right in that it was delivered by the USPS.
I guess those that don't hit today will hit Monday.</p>
<p>Will be interesting to see if any others pop up here.</p>
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Acting as the devil's advocate on this thread, and psoting for the first time, I am not convinced that all-women's colleges are any more necessary that all women's medical schools or all women's law schools. I am speaking as the father of two bright daughters soon of college age and happily married to a Smithie. After a lengthy evaluation of the pros and cons, my wife and I have come to the conclusion that our daughters long term interests will be better served in a coeducational environment.
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Cellardweller...here is a statement you made awhile ago on one of our threads. Good luck to your d at MIT.</p>
<p>The fact that we as parents may have certain preferences, does not mean our daughters are not fully capable of making their own decisions. The first would not have applied to Smith if she did not consider it a viable option. She will make her own choice.</p>
<p>Congratulations! Will her major be math or science????</p>
<p>Probably biochemistry. She plans to go to med school.</p>
<p>BJM, I don't know that MIT fully qualifies as co-ed. Remember D's t-shirt: "MIT Men: The odds are good but the goods are odd."</p>
<p>Yes, the Zollman/STRIDE/Dunn awardees are notified about a week ahead (for RD) of the decisions. Technically, if I recall the effect of the precise wording, they're just being notified that they've been awarded a scholarship...but most of them can work it out that this means they've been admitted.</p>
<p>Cellardweller -- so glad to hear your daughter is considering Smith. Something must have opened your mind (and your daughter's) since your posts last spring. </p>
<p>Sounds like she could potentially have a wonderful opportunity at Smith. Hope she, and her parents, will be considering it as seriously as her other options.</p>
<p>(It would be somewhat ironic to find that you may join my friends, the zealous parents, on the Smith section of the CC website!)</p>
<p>It is comments like those from TheDad that make me pause and wonder whether attitudes towards students majoring in the sciences have changed that much at liberal arts colleges over the past 30 years. As a small minority in a sea of humanities majors they are often characterized as nerdy or antisocial. It is hard enough on girls in high school who excel in math and science to have a normal social life when their friends share few intellectual interests and I question whether it is worth to have them go through the same thing in college. Sometimes being in the majority and not having to apologize for being smart can be a relief.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that you would allow your daughter to attend Smith to major in biochemistry. I mean, after all, isn't it you who said:
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The claim that women's colleges graduate more female engineers and scientists is simply ludicrous. The vast majority of students at Smith and other women's colleges go through their four years without ever taking a single math or science class or fill their science requirement with a class that would in most colleges be part of the humanities program not science. I have met many dozens of Smithies from accompanying my wife to many class reunions and although I consider many of them to be extremely bright most are scientifically illiterate. I realize the focus of the education has changed in recent years at Smith and other women colleges and science (and even god-forbid engineering!) now have a foothold in these schools. But they still lag far behind the leading co-educational institutions in the hard sciences and even biology where they have put most of their efforts. Using Marshall and Rhodes scholarships awarded to women Smith lags far behind schools such as MIT, Harvard or Yale. This has everything to do with the fact that small LACs simply cannot compete with top research universities in attracting the very best faculty in science and engineering. Smith does have a single member of its faculty part of the National Academy of Sciences as compared to 160 at Harvard and 101 at MIT. They are simply not playing in the same league.
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And....
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Invariably admissions officers at Smith, Mt Holyoke and Amherst mention the option of taking classes at Umass to complement the scarce science offerings on their own campuses. But then why go to Smith or Mt Holyoke if the advanced work will need to be performed elsewhere.
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If your D wants to attend med school, shouldn't she go to MIT???? Med school is advanced work isn't it??
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For these and other reasons, I do believe that women who have an affinity for science are not served well at an all women's college or a LAC. If they are talented enough the top research institutions are more than ready to accept them and let them thrive.
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Hmmmmm. Gawd, I hope your D attends Smith!</p>
<p>cellardweller, are you implying that students who major in math or science usually don't get along well with humanities majors? Speaking for myself, I am a math major with a majority of friends who are humanities majors (though it's a small majority), I would categorize a number of my humanities major friends as also being nerdy, and I would hardly consider myself antisocial. I actually know few antisocial students at Smith, and it's not really a humanities/science line.</p>
<p>I don't need to apologize for being smart, because I'm surrounded by smart women in a number of fields, both related and unrelated to mine. </p>
<p>I wish your D the best in whatever school she chooses. I have a few friends at MIT and their experiences have been vastly different from mine.</p>
<p>BJM8 -- Please consider "taking the high road" and not re-hashing some of the more negative posts from that thread. </p>
<p>For reasons that might be very interesting to learn, aside from an alum in the family, Cellardweller seems to be showing some actual pride in the wonderful possibilities offered to his daughter at Smith. Many of the parents on this site have discussed the amazing opportunities to do serious, meaningful research available to students who get a STRIDE. Hopefully his daughter is considering those opportunities...as well as the Med School admissions successes of Smith alumnae.</p>
<p>cellardweller should be assured that among all of the very intelligent young women at Smith today - both those majoring in math/science and those majoring in the humanities/social sciences (not all smart girls major in math/science!) -- there are very few who ever feel the need to apologize for being smart. That's one of the very special benefits of being at a women's college.</p>
<p>BJM8:</p>
<p>I don't want to get into another discussion on the merits of LACs vs universities for science. My daughter is interested in a lot more than science. She is an excellent studio artist and 3 time French national exam winner. She wants a balanced education where she can advance her core competencies while still keeping broad interests. She also wants to study abroad. That is why she applied to Smith and why I believe Smith gave her the scholarship. She knows that she does not need to be at the frontier of science to go to med school. After all some applicants are humanities majors. She simply does not want to feel outside of the mainstream and be able to enjoy her time in college. That is as simple as that.</p>
<p>2boys...Please understand that it is cellardweller who has denied that research opportunities are of value at Smith. I find it ironic, and a bit hypocritical, to previously put down the opportunities found at Smith in research in sciences, and now (tongue in cheek) say that his D knows that she does not need to be at the frontier of science to go to med school. To take the high road, I honestly DO wish his D attends Smith so that her dad will see the wonderful research opportunities available to her at a LAC through her STRIDE. My D is a STRIDE scholar, and has been involved in some very innovative research (and she didn't have to go to UMass to find it)!<br>
Cellardweller, you should be proud of your D's accomplishments, and her acceptance to two great schools. Smith, or any other LAC for that matter, will enable her to receive a balanced education while advancing her core interests. Why did you fight that logic previously.</p>