Haverford classes in general

<p>Greetings Havies/Fords! I've read almost all of the Haverford threads in the forum (thanks for all the posts, HCalum!) and I'm 93% sure I'm going to Haverford. XD The percentage fell a bit because I just got accepted to Wesleyan...</p>

<p>Anyway, I'm mainly curious about how classes are conducted at Haverford and Bryn Mawr - how they might be different from classes at other LAC, the frequency of labs, class discussions vs. lectures, how big the workload is, any weird/interesting/must-take classes, difficulty of science vs. humanities classes, etc. </p>

<p>Other questions: How are grades given - curve, sliding scale, N/A, pass/fail? How does the cross registration work? </p>

<p>Any information will help as most of my information comes from the web or my "trusty" college guides. I'm a US citizen living in Taiwan, the tiny island next to China, and I'm attending an even tinier bilingual high school, NEHS (hence, my unimaginative username). There are 50 graduating seniors this year! The funny thing is, two of us might be going to Haverford! </p>

<p>Thanks in advance for any responses. :)</p>

<p>Work/culture:</p>

<p>The work is a lot but what separates HC from other LACs is that there’s a culture at HC where students not only refuse to talk about grades (you see that at a few other top LACs too) but students make an effort to not talk/complain about their work loads which is very unique for East Coast LACs. Rather than engaging in a game of “I have more work than you”, students are generally modest and will play down their studying. My experience is that if kids start going off about the # of deadlines they have, others will either walk away or begin playing an invisible violin in jest. :) While the work can be tremendous (I had less stress and sleepless nights in med school), I can also say that I can only think of just a few times in my life where I had so much fun and felt more engaged... hiking through Vietnam after college for 2 months is one. </p>

<p>Academic culture:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.haverford.edu/publications/Fall%2006/buildingarts.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.haverford.edu/publications/Fall%2006/buildingarts.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>“A Haughty Indifference to Fashion”
Architectural historian Michael J. Lewis ’79 on the difference between the cultures of Haverford and Williams:</p>

<p>Michael J. Lewis ’79 was an economics major at Haverford, but he now teaches art and architectural history at Williams College. He is the author of The Politics of the German Gothic Revival (1993); Frank Furness: Architecture and the Violent Mind (2001); The Gothic Revival (2002); and a forthcoming survey history of American art and architecture; he is also a frequent contributor of architectural criticism to journals such as The New Criterion and Commentary. It’s fair to say that Michael Lewis lives for architecture, but he is not at all sure that a new building is the best way to raise Haverford’s arts consciousness.</p>

<p>“I don’t believe the building does it,” says Lewis. “The building is a sign of success. The first line is the faculty, then the students, then the building.” </p>

<p>Lewis’ own aesthetic awakening came in his senior year at Haverford, when he took a course on urban history at Bryn Mawr. Upon graduation, he secured a Fulbright Fellowship to study the reconstruction of Germany after World War II, then earned a Ph.D. in architectural history at the University of Pennsylvania. After returning to Bryn Mawr for two years (1989-91) to teach the very course in urbanism that had sparked his professional interest, he served as a historian at the Canadian Center for Architecture before joining the Williams faculty in 1993. </p>

<p>When he got to Williams, Lewis says he assumed teaching at one highly selective liberal arts college would be pretty much like teaching at another, but he discovered that the cultures of Haverford and Williams were decidedly different, largely owing to their respective heritages. </p>

<p>“I tried doing exactly what had been done to me at Haverford and Bryn Mawr,” Lewis recalls. “I’d come in to class and say something like ‘Frank Lloyd Wright was a bad architect. Flat roofs leak, so that’s bad architecture.’ Then a student would say, ‘But, Mr. Lewis, is architecture just about keeping the rain out or is it about ideal form?’ When I got to Williams and I said ‘Frank Lloyd Wright is a bad architect,’ the students would just look at me and write it down. I could not push their buttons.” </p>

<p>Lewis came to believe that the difference between Haverford and Williams students was not a matter of intellect but of historical roots. </p>

<p>“Haverford and Bryn Mawr, while not religiously Quaker, have inherited the culture of a Quaker meeting house. Any moment, the spirit may move and someone will speak out. Williams is a Puritan culture. When I speak, I am Cotton Mather in his pulpit. There is a tremendous culture here of cordiality, the covenant of the camp. It may be the product of our remoteness. You don’t argue during the day with someone you’re sure to see that night.” </p>

<p>These cultural differences, Lewis suggests, inform the arts consciousness of institutions. </p>

<p>“Haverford is marinated in the Quaker empirical approach to education,” he says. “The arts do not loom large in Haverford’s history.” </p>

<p>Doing research on Haverford architecture, for instance, Lewis ran across minutes of the building of Founders Hall that specified “no showy portico.” </p>

<p>“The Quakers had a haughty indifference to fashion,” Lewis says. “Though Founders Hall was built at the height of the Greek Revival, there is not a bit of that in [it]. It is a farm building writ large.”</p>

<p>cont...</p>

<p>“The Quakers had a haughty indifference to fashion,” Lewis says. “Though Founders Hall was built at the height of the Greek Revival, there is not a bit of that in [it]. It is a farm building writ large.” </p>

<p>Ah yes, I noticed this about HC as I was looking at pictures. The buildings are nice, but none of those columns or fancy do dids. :) Thanks for the overview...:) </p>

<p>Any other takes? I'd really appreciate an inside look, biases and all!</p>

<p>bump…</p>

<p>Great story! When I was in graduate school I had the opportunity to teach some psych courses to engineers. One professor and I decided to try something with the students. We would begin with an observation of some typical human behavior. We would than begin to explain that behavior from various psychological and sociological perspectives. We would proceed to move further and further from the plausible to the ridiculously impossible. It was beyond belief (at least to us) how far we could take this. Eventually someone who stop us. For the most part, everyone else just kept taking notes.</p>

<p>More. Please. I’m especially interested in transition from high school to Haverford academics.</p>

<p>Two more questions</p>

<p>(1) One recurring problem at smaller schools is many classes fill early, shutting out kids. Please comment as relevant to Haverford.</p>

<p>(2) Noodling around the website - there is an approximate two year Physical Ed requirement, but I can’t find what exactly that entails. Please elaborate/link!</p>

<p>(1) That varies by discipline. It’s not an issue in the sciences, but some of the more popular humanities and social science classes have lotteries. The situation is not at all problematic though. 2/3 of the classes don’t have enrollment caps, and many classes with caps don’t actually fill up. You may not get to take a class with the single most popular philosophy professor each semester, but there are still plenty of other philosophy classes to take and you will get into your first-choice classes eventually if you keep trying. You can take a look at this semester’s lottery results here:[Haverford</a> College: Office of the Registrar](<a href=“http://www.haverford.edu/registrar/lotteryresults.php]Haverford”>http://www.haverford.edu/registrar/lotteryresults.php)</p>

<p>(2) See here: [Haverford</a> College Athletics: Physical Education](<a href=“http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/physed/]Haverford”>http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/physed/)
and here:[Haverford</a> College: Course Catalog - Academic Program](<a href=“http://www.haverford.edu/catalog/academic_program.php#per]Haverford”>http://www.haverford.edu/catalog/academic_program.php#per)</p>

<p>englishjw, psychology is fascinating, no? My regret is that I didn’t take a psych course while in college to understand the dynamics/ theories behind quirky behaviors like this. I question if it is really the “Puritan” culture of Williams at play or perhaps something more archetypal/primitive in human psychology at work given the fact that throughout history, there are too many examples of adults not speaking up during some pretty pivotal times… such as during an engineering class. :slight_smile: Whatever it is, I agree that HC’s culture encourages students to develop a skill set at an early age to feel comfortable speaking their minds and occasionally questioning authority figures and social norms. For example, the Honor Code puts down in writing that it is the expectation of the community for students to not walk away from any occasions when she/he is faced with an incident that makes them feel that the community’s trust or their own has been violated by the actions of another or by their own actions as well. This is really hard to do especially when young and, in practice, sometimes depending on the incident, the student may not engage in this civil “confrontation” despite feeling it’s appropriate. The thing is that, given HC’s Honor Code*, whether a student confronts someone or not, the student at least knows the ideal and is able to reflect on why/why not they lived up to those expectations which to me makes it a valuable educational tool and internal sounding board to have.</p>

<p>*as I wrote in another post, “HC’s honor code does not make it unique IMO. There are several schools with honor codes. Each school though conceptualizes its honor code differently and, so, are differently implemented. Davidson’s and UVA’s are based upon a sense of southern honor and chivalry; military honor for the military academies; Athenian ideals of a perfect democratic society for Wellesley and Conn College; and Haverford’s is based upon its Quaker history and value of consensus and inner light. Some schools have codes that emphasize academic/social conduct 1st… Haverford’s culture encourages kids to inner reflect and think about respect and trust, which are then manifested by the freedoms and responsibilities described in its honor code. Context gives each honor code its own character.”</p>

<p>crester, my own transition to HC was fairly easy given that, when I was a 1st year student, my sister was a senior at BMC, brother a sophomore at Swat (and parents at home about 2 hours away in the “poor house” because of us kids) I got the skinny on HC early on. Classes move fast as you would expect. I think the challenging thing to adjust to is time management. In high school, classes usually meet every day so there is less freedom for students to make their own schedule and to fall behind. In college, the tricky thing as I’m sure you remember is that classes can meet MWF or TTh and sometimes only weekly with a lot of reading, papers or projects assigned during the interim (ie read Bleak house in about a week, write a paper the following week about it, while reading another novel, with 3 other classes including taking organic chemistry freshman year). Developing the skills to budget time to prevent last minute cramming or all-nighters I think is the thing that trips up some students at the beginning, me included.</p>

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<p>Regarding limited enrollment classes, b@r!um posted this in the thread about HC sciences…</p>

<p>A note on limited enrollment classes:
The lottery results for spring semester classes have just been released and only two science classes had to use waitlists:</p>

<p>BIOLH363G01 Stem Cell Biology
PHYSH107B01 Living in a Fluid World</p>

<p>You can find the entire lottery list here:
[Haverford</a> College: Office of the Registrar](<a href=“http://www.haverford.edu/registrar/lotteryresults.php]Haverford”>http://www.haverford.edu/registrar/lotteryresults.php)</p>

<p>The lottery list contains all limited enrollment classes, including the ones where the number of pre-registered students stayed below the enrollment cap. Note that only 95 out of 361 courses offered in the spring semester have enrollment caps at all and less than half of those actually have to use waitlists.</p>

<p>Enrollment limits have not been an issue for me so far (I was lotteried out of one class for the spring semester but there are soooo many other interesting classes that I can take instead that I don’t really care).</p>

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<p>The athletic requirement is pretty easy to meet. I started freshman year playing club lacrosse (didn’t want the time commitment with varsity) and took tennis, fencing, archery at BMC, judo, CPR and independent running. A friend took African dance because of a cute girl. For procrastinators, you can put up graduation chairs senior year for credit but that’s pretty sad IMO and doesn’t make for good graduation memories. There’s independent walking at BMC so you can get gym credit by walking to get your morning Fruit Loops. I found this article on bowling funny when I read it a few years ago so remembered it enough to find it after some Googling…</p>

<p>[Bowling:</a> The Best-Kept Secret in Haverford P.E.](<a href=“The Bi-College News | Pardon our appearance as we move to a new site! Access to archives is unavailable currently.”>The Bi-College News | Pardon our appearance as we move to a new site! Access to archives is unavailable currently.)</p>

<p>Bowling: The Best-Kept Secret in Haverford P.E.
Tuesday, 19 February 2008
By Andrew Ian Lipstein</p>

<p>Only one quarter-credit away from satisfying my Haverford gym requirement, I became truly worried about which pseudo-physical activity I could partake in. Any club or even intramural sport was too time-consuming. Self-paced running would involve too much self-paced running and none of the various classes offered at Haverford particularly tickled me in the right way. And then it came, almost straight from the heavens: a friend’s idea to get together some chums and bowl. </p>

<p>For those of you who don’t know, taking “bowling” here at Haverford entails being driven to a local bowling alley once a week and bowling two games free of charge. Sounds more like a FAB Friday night activity than a gym credit. </p>

<p>At first I was a bit skeptical about how much fun I would have playing a sport at which I completely blew. On the first day when I asked the alley-manager where the lightest bowling balls were, he berated me for a good five minutes about my miniscule testosterone-producing ability. If I weren’t such a strong person I might have broken down. So while using the neon-green bowling ball meant for eight-year-olds, I tried my severely testosterone-lacking body at the sport of bowling. </p>

<p>I learned you can only make fun of yourself so many times for gutterballing until it gets old. Eventually you just feel lonely and abandoned while your friends are high-fiving over their cool strikes and spares. But here’s the catch: being awful at bowling gives you a reason to try and get better. That is, after all, the point of a gym credit; so we can all graduate here slightly less terrible at bowling or with a minute knowledge of cardio-kickboxing. </p>

<p>So instead of playing the it’s-okay-that-I’m-miserable-at-bowling-I’m-good-at-other-things card, I took the game seriously. I quickly learned, for example, that you don’t stick your middle and pointer fingers in the ball (instead you use your ring and middle.)
Before I knew it, I was split over the strike-ingly good time I was having, instead of mo’pin’g. I could go on, but I’ll spare you. </p>

<p>There is something so communal and bond-forming about a sport so simple. Imagine trying to explain baseball to someone who has never seen the sport played. Now imagine the task of explaining football, or even soccer or tennis. </p>

<p>Now try bowling: You take a relatively heavy ball and try to knock down pins. That’s it. You knock **** down, as much as you can, the harder the better. There is something almost romantic in the purely entropy-causing activity of watching a ball you set in motion annihilating peaceful and placid skinny pieces of wood. And there is something instinctual and carnal in doing this destructive activity with friends, in a contest to see who can be more destructive. Plus, you wear sweet shoes. </p>

<p>This rant on the sport of bowling does have a conclusion and maybe even a purpose. My message is this: next time you are leafing through the gym credit opportunities, look past the conventional ways of satisfying Haverford’s peskiest requirement. Get a few friends together, do some wrist exercises, and knock some **** down. </p>

<p>Lipstein, a sophomore psychology and mathematics double major</p>

<p>@HC Alum</p>

<p>My son was fortunate to attend a small private school in NJ (Pingry) that has an honor code. It is described as:</p>

<p>"Pingry believes that students should understand and live by standards of honorable behavior, which are essentially a matter of attitude and spirit rather than a system of rules and regulations. Decent, self-respecting behavior must be based on personal integrity and genuine concern for others and on the ethical principles which are the basis of civilized society.</p>

<p>“The members of the Pingry community should conduct themselves in a trustworthy manner that will further the best interests of the school, their class, and any teams or clubs to which they belong. They should act as responsible members of the community, working for the common good rather than solely for personal advantage. They should honor the rights of others, conducting themselves at all times in a moral and decent manner while at Pingry and throughout their lives as citizens of and contributors to the larger community of the world.”</p>

<p>Given his experience with an honor code that covered social as well as academic issues, he felt immediately comfortable with the Honor Code at HC. Having said that, the honor code seemed to be the number one area of concern for the other students who were visiting campus when we did. For some of the incoming students, the culture may take a bit of getting used to.</p>

<p>@HC Alum</p>

<p>The phys ed stories (yours and Mr. Lipstein’s) are great. I think you need to write a book.</p>

<p>Your point is well taken. It’s unfortunate that the discussion of the Honor Code on tour is a turn off to so many people. I definitely get that HC is not for everyone, which I often emphasize with my posts but I think the concern with the Honor Code by many prospective students/parent is an definite over-reaction. It’s hard to describe something as abstract as “honor” and the more time spent talking or writing about it may give people the impression that it is a suffocating presence on campus when it’s not. Truth be told, when HC is in working order, it is essentially indistinguishable from the campus dynamics of other top LACs when they are functioning well themselves… nice students, respect, little cheating, collegiality. It’s only during instances when la merde hits the fan or when things aren’t working well that HC’s uniqueness becomes glaringly apparent and I think the Honor Code in these circumstances has something to do with it. For example, a few years ago I read about an incident at a top New England LAC where a student passed out (for a joke or something like that) “Happy b-day Hitler cards” around campus. Personally, I think this or something similar could have happened at most of the top LACs, but what caught me by surprise when I was reading about this on CC was that at the campus town hall meeting at this college, only about 20-30 faculty, administrators and students showed up with the school being 2000+ students. During my 4 years at HC, I know from experience that even when “lesser” incidents occurred, there was always a much greater campus wide response. As a student, I was sometimes dismayed that, instead of 200-250 people showing up to town hall meetings I as an optimistic person felt important, maybe 25-100 faculty, staff and students would come. I didn’t realize just how special that actually is.</p>

<p>I felt there were a few prospective students that were uneasy with the academic implications of the honor code. If I hadn’t written any of “my” applications and essays, I wonder how I might have reacted? But clearly the greatest discomfort was created by the social elements of the code. It was as if these kids and their parents hadn’t done any research on Haverford. The dicussion of the honor code seemed to come as a complete surprise. In other cases, they had read about the code but didn’t seem to have taken it seriously. In any event, this was a very significant positive for my S. All of the discussions of culture and the environment on campus were exactly what he was looking for.</p>

<p>Now, back on the topic of Phys Ed - organic gardening?</p>

<p>… great description of LA by the way.</p>

<p>My location is only funny because it’s true…</p>

<p>Funny you mentioned organic gardening because, yes, there is a student run garden and, yes, I’m sure a student can petition gardening for gym credit.</p>

<p>I didn’t mean the LA part. It was the description that was more interesting. It may not be sunny everywhere (we are central NJ) but most of us have our share of “shady people.”</p>

<p>Organic Gardening was offered as a Fall Quarter 2010 Phys Ed offering.</p>