Haverford vs. Claremont McKenna

<p>Im kinda in a dilema at the moment. I've managed to narrow my college choices to CMC and Haverford College, but I cannot decided between the two colleges. I dunno which one to apply ED either. </p>

<p>I want to go to a school with good acadamics and a good social life too. Im not much of a drinker or anything, but I have a few times. I just don't want to go to a school and become bored/annoyed outta my mind. </p>

<p>Any advice/suggestions?</p>

<p>thanks a lot! :)</p>

<p>They're on opposite sides of the country, and very different in focus. Why are you considering ED if you're still unsure? I don't think Claremont gives that much of an edge to ED applicants, at least according to US News Ultimate College
Guide.</p>

<p>Yeah, thats why i dunno whether i should even apply ED or not. Also, since I live in California, the whole weather issue comes into play. I love California weather, but i've also never lived in snow bfore. So..both kinda appeal to me in certain ways. </p>

<p>I just can't decide btwn the two</p>

<p>So don't decide. Apply to both - maybe the decision will be made for you. :)</p>

<p>yea true, but what would u think is the better choice between the two?</p>

<p>...my dad wants me to apply ED somewhere. He doesn't want me giving up my chances at either of the two by not applying ED</p>

<p>btw, thx for replying soo quickly!! :)</p>

<p>I think that Haverford would give more "points" for an early application, and being from the west will also be a plus.
But I think that's a bad reason to apply early. I stand by my original advice. Question: are you an athlete? That might help you at Claremont.</p>

<p>They're both great schools.</p>

<p>yeah, im a tennis player. I have been talking to the coaches at both schools. The CMC coach told me to apply regular decision because he thinks ill have a better chance of getting in that way. The Haverford coach told me to go ED. I stayed over at CMC and liked it a lot, but i haven't stayed over at Haverford. </p>

<p>How do u feel the 2 colleges are on a social aspect?</p>

<p>Hmmm... I don't know. There's EDII.</p>

<p>cmc has an ed 2, but haverford doesn't and i think both ED deadlines are Nov. 15</p>

<p>Socially, I don't know. It's such a personal thing and I'm not that familiar with Haverford. You already know a fair amount if you've talked with the coaches. On which team would you feel most comfortable? It sounds like ED for Haverford would be the surest bet from the admissions standpoint, but don't do it if you have doubts.</p>

<p>If you want to maximize your chances, do as the coaches suggest: ED to Haverford and RD to Claremont. If one doesn't work out, the other may.</p>

<p>yea, thats true. After meeting with the coaches and meeting some of the team, I feel that I'd fit in a lot better with the CMC team.</p>

<p>Then there's your answer!<br>
I feel like I've just undermined my own son's chances at CMC - he's applying RD too. :) It really appealed to him, but then he has no interest in the east coast at this time.
I think if you are planning to play, you have a very good chance of acceptance. Best of luck!</p>

<p>hahaha, Im sure your son is super bright and super cool and will definitely get in!</p>

<p>I really appreciate your advice
THANKS A LOT!!!</p>

<p>Haverford is not exactly in the snow belt. It will get some snow, but it isn't anything like northern New England or upstate NY. You will have a lot of cold rain and grey skies. Not knocking the school- I grew up in the area. Just don't want you to picture a winter of beautiful snow-covered fields!</p>

<p>Frankly, I would NEVER recommend that my kids apply ED to anywhere. Yes, I know that applying ED does give an edge in some schools to admissions. However, there are too many drawbacks.</p>

<ol>
<li><p>If you apply ED, you had better be able to pay full tuition. They don't need to give as much aid, especially merit aid, if you apply ED.</p></li>
<li><p>If you get a great offer from another school that you didn't apply ED, you are shafted because you foreclosed all of your other opportunities.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>My suggestion is to apply RD to both schools and let the chips fall where they may. Don't forget to pick at least one safety school too.</p>

<p>Haverford is a great school. Not a party school definitely. Very chill. Weather is ok, not like central Pa. The area is posh main line. ED probably helps here, because they are to a degree caught in the Tufts syndrome of trying to avoid being an Amherst/Williams/Swarty safety. You have to visit if at all possible. The school feels different from many others -- very quiet, but still very great feeling.</p>

<p>Unless you are sure that you would like Haverford, it is a bad idea to apply ED; if you really like CMC, which it sounds as though you did, then I think you should apply ED there; you like it and it will make your father happy from what you say. If you do not get in I assume you have other choices for your RD apps, including Haverford.</p>

<p>Also, unless there is a compelling reason to go thousands of miles away form home for school, it is not always a great idea--not because you will want to go home often or your parents will drop in to visit you (you and they will both be busy!)--but just because it is less convenient. Being within at least remote driving range (say 600 miles) makes a lot of things simpler. And as far as snow goes, you certainly have options to spend a bit of time in the snow in California by going up north--I know Mammoth had vast amounts of snow around Christmas/New Year last year and a few days of that might well be all you feel you ever need:)</p>

<p>As you probably know, you can always use the exchange program to spend a semester in the "other" school. This is the CMC version:</p>

<p>Maine
Colby College is a small liberal-arts college of 1,700 students located in Waterville, Maine. Application deadlines are September 25 for Spring and February 5 for Fall.</p>

<p>Pennsylvania
Haverford College is a small liberal-arts college of 1,100 students, located on the outskirts of Philadelphia. While at Haverford, students may cross-register at Bryn Mawr College or at Swarthmore College. Application deadlines are September 25 for Spring and February 5 for Fall.</p>

<p>As far as snow goes, Mt Baldy is only ... a few minutes away from CMC, and several ski destinations are within 2 hours drive.</p>

<p>Both schools are near large cities, within relatively short drives, but you will spend most of your time on campus. Take virtual tours of Haverford and see what it's like, if you can't visit. Claremont (the town/city) is quaint, but not that exciting. I like it, but it bores some people. At either school, there are nearby school avaiable with which you can mingle (by bus at Haverford, by walking across the street at CMC). Each school is great, even though most people haven't heard of either :). You might want to apply regular, unless you are sure. Why would you set youself up to have to commit yourself to attending a school for at least about a year to perhaps 4 or 5 if you aren't positive you want to go there?</p>

<p>These two schools are both excellent but very different from each other. Econ and poli sci departments dominate CMC in a way not common at other LACs. Haverford's Quaker tradition gives a different feel to the campus culture and the academic culture is a bit more intellectual. . .probably the better choice for a bio, english or history major. CMC focus is more career-oriented: business, law, public policy and politics; adjacent Claremont colleges offer several academic and social advantages. </p>

<p>I guess I wouldn't apply to Haverford ED unless I had visited. Why not try and do that ASAP? As for the CMC ED app, even with ED you will need a strong record of academic and extracuricular leadership to get in, along with the strong stats you would need to get in at either school.</p>

<p>Finally, sounds like the coach at Haverford wants/needs you on his team more than the CMC coach does, FWIW.</p>