Help! Difficult Choice: Tufts vs Oberlin vs UVa

<p>Hi there!</p>

<p>I'm now facing a very difficult choice and since I cannot visit any of the three, the choice is becoming more and more difficult. I would be very grateful if any of you can post some suggestions for me(especially some inside information from current student or alumni or parents).</p>

<p>Here is what I am hoping to find in the school:
small classes, easy access to professors, and better advising for my future path; encouraging atmosphere and curriculum for double majors or taking various classes(not so intense core requirement, I dont have a clear interest right now, but currently interested in fine arts, econ, premed and pre-business); </p>

<p>great reputation among top graduate schools and recruiters(I will go to graduate school but it's also possible for me to find a job first after graduation); </p>

<p>easy access to big cities(I grow up in a big lively city but since I have never lived in a small village I am not really sure about the "rural" life);</p>

<p>I am also not sure how a "preppy" or "hippie" or "liberal" or "conservative" environment may influence a college experience.</p>

<p>For Tufts, I love the location but I'm not sure about the class size and access to professors, social scene(some posts say segregation?), how supportive are the staff and professors; also I don't quite know Tufts reputation among top graduate schools and recruiters. </p>

<p>Any suggestion is welcomed! Thanks in advance!</p>

<p>Happy Tufts student here.
Not sure about class sizes? Check out [this</a> post](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062471414-post2.html]this”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062471414-post2.html) that lists US News rankings for small class sizes. Tufts is ranked high up in the Outstanding category for largest number of classes with under 20 students, and fewest classes with over 50 students.
Generally speaking, class size will depend somewhat on your major, and a WHOLE LOT on what kind of courses you take. Introductory or foundational courses will typically be quite large, anywhere between 50 and 200 students. However, this is ameliorated somewhat by the fact that any class this size will break down once a week into conversation groups of about 20. These are typically led by TAs, but often are led by professors. Once you move past lower-numbered courses and get into the meat of your major, classes will generally be from 10-20 students.</p>

<p>Access to professors varies from professor to professor, as it would anywhere, but on average I would confidently say Tufts students have significantly better access to their profs than students of other schools. The emphasis here is on undergraduate education, and professors that would prefer to be left to their research and let TAs take care of classes and office hours generally aren’t hired. Every professor has mandatory office hours at least once a week (most professors do a few hours twice a week), and all but a small handful will be happy to meet with you outside of office hours by appointment. While I’ve been here, I’ve forged really great relationships, friendships even, with several different professors. Professor Art, my advisor, got me a summer job and helped me to get my research presented at a symposium, Professor Greenhill still shoots me conversational e-mails every time a conflict erupts internationally even though it’s been over a year since I was in her Civil Wars class, Professor Halthom once offered to take two hours out of her Saturday and drive me to a funeral I had no way of getting to, Professor Russinoff has spent literally hours counseling me and chatting with me about my academic career, personal life, and mental health even though she’s not my advisor. . . I could go on. Professors are passionate about their subject and they love students. Best advice is to just show up at the office hours of a professor you like, start a chat, and see where things go. </p>

<p>Depends on the graduate school in question, but I would say that Tufts has a better reputation across the board than Oberlin (with the notable exception of music, in which Oberlin excels). Between UVA and Tufts, it really depends on what you want to do. In terms of fine art, UVA has a great architecture school whereas we don’t have one at all, but our partnership with the School of the Museum of Fine Arts gives us a decisive advantage in most other forms of art. Just from what I’ve observed, UVA is better regarded in business, the physical sciences and engineering, while Tufts has the edge in political science (including international relations), economics, philosophy, and the biological sciences. This is totally subjective, and they’re both highly regarded enough across the board that I doubt that either one would give you a significant head start over the other</p>

<p>As far as segregation? Eh, there’s some truth to that. Minority students are underrepresented here in the first place (with the exception of Jewish students, who are overrepresented by a factor of 30), and the existence and efficacy of organizations catering specifically to certain minority groups (the Latino House, the Africana House, etc.) means that minority students often congregate together (read: self-segregate). Tufts is getting better at offering financial aid packages, though, which is doing a lot to diversify the student body.</p>

<p>Finally, Tufts is very supportive of a double major. About a third of non-engineers double major, with many more taking on a minor. You need to declare your first major by the end of your sophomore year, and your second major really at any time. You are required to ask a professor from each department you want to major in to serve as your advisor. Core requirements are extremely lax here, and most students test out of at least some of them. Two semesters each of humanities, art, mathematics, natural science, and social science, as well as six semesters of a language (but if you’ve taken any language in high school you can test out of much or all of this) and two world civilization classes. Good scores on AP tests or IB tests will get you out of a lot of these.</p>

<p>To Snarf, Thank you very much for your long reply!</p>

<p>I know that a lot of Tufts students turn down some more ‘highly ranked’ schools for it because they feel it is a perfect fit for them, I know this is a great school, and I really want to know more things about Tufts from you, as I am assuming that you are a current student.</p>

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<li><p>About the education focus.
I have read a lot about that the education at Tufts is focus on undergraduate. As I have been wanting a liberal arts education (because there students enjoy small classes and etc.), I really want to know how studying at the school of liberal arts feels comparing to a small liberal arts college. Will there be some problems, like you cannot take the classes you like, some of your professors just want to spend more time with their research, and things like that?</p></li>
<li><p>About housing.
As an international student, the housing issue makes me concerned a little bit. I have no idea if it is possible to get a on campus dorm at junior year, or how flexible it would be to change rooms if I were not happy with my roommate or etc., as it seems that dorms for housing are very limited. I would be glad if anyone can post some information about this.</p></li>
<li><p>About the administrative member.
Here I am thinking staff member from Academic Advising System and Office of Res Life. Since I am not clear with my future career would be, you can tell why a supportive and helpful academic advising system is so important to me. I want to know how this system works, and how helpful and supportive they are.<br>
For the Office of Res Life, since I have read the Guide to On-Campus Housing for the Class of 2012, it seems that the office keeps saying like “if you don’t follow this, you will be subject to residential judicial consequences”, and the words appear like 6 times in two pages, it makes me feel that the office is quite “cold” or not supportive at all, which even add worries to the residential life at Tufts.
Or generally, how do you feel about the staff member(not professors) at Tufts?</p></li>
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<p>Thanks a lot in advance for those who will response!</p>

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<li><p>I think there will be some small problems with classes filling up at almost any school, but at a school the size of Tufts you have the added benefit of there being a wider variety of courses than liberal arts schools with smaller student bodies can support. Most professors are focused on their students and easy to get in touch with.</p></li>
<li><p>It’s a much smaller issue than you think. In general, if you want on campus housing junior year it isn’t too hard to get. A very large amount of students rent houses and live off campus in the surrounding area, though, and plenty are also abroad for one or both semesters.</p></li>
<li><p>Reslife isn’t the greatest, but it’s not much of a problem.</p></li>
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<p>Yep, I am a current student. Class of 2010.</p>

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<li><p>Certain classes do consistently fill up, primarily those classes which are seen as easy ways of fulfilling distribution requirements. For classes that are really important to you, especially those that you’re passionate about, you can almost always talk to the professor privately and get permission to enter the class even if it’s technically full.<br>
Professors do conduct high-quality research, but never to the detriment of undergrad education, and often to the benefit of it. Last summer I got the opportunity to assist a political science professor with his research, and it was a hugely educational and informative experience for me to be an important part of the highest quality research. Many undergraduates get similar opportunities, in every department and through a variety of venues.</p></li>
<li><p>How easily you can get a room as a junior depends on your lottery number. With a higher number you’ll have no problem, with a lower number. . . well, best of luck. I chose to live in an off-campus apartment rather than deal with my low lottery number.</p></li>
<li><p>For the most part, the administration is pretty friendly and competent, though your advisors will actually be professors, not administrators. As a first-year student, you’re assigned someone randomly, but once you decide on a major, you pick a particular professor to be your advisor. Staff and faculty and generally supportive of students, though, so virtually anyone will be happy to sit down and talk to you, regardless of whether they’re your official advisor. Career services in particular is extremely friendly. Their area of expertise is actually in counseling students about what they might want as a career, and how to get there from here (their ability to actually help you find a particular job is somewhat lackluster, on the other hand).</p></li>
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<p>I have to say I think hebrewhammer understates the situation when he says Reslife isn’t the greatest. It sometimes seems as though Reslife actually purposefully tries to make life as miserable as possible - mere incompetence doesn’t always explain the special way they have of screwing up absolutely everything under their power, and then being jackasses about it. The administrative rumor mill has it that the director, Yolanda King, has almost been fired multiple times over the past few years, but since she is a woman, an African-American, and gay (a discrimination triple threat, if you will) every time her firing looms she just makes noises about wrongful termination lawsuits and bad press, and super-politically-correct Tufts administrators back down. Just a rumor, but it’s still really the only possible way of explaining how this colossally and unapologetically incompetent woman still has a job. </p>

<p>The only consolation is that Reslife just doesn’t have that much power, so they’re actually not that much of a problem. For most students, an overwhelming hatred of Reslife surfaces once a year for about a week during dorm selection, and then for the other 51 weeks of the year the existence of Reslife is completely forgotten.</p>