<p>The Temple Owl isn’t a barn owl, FYI. In fact, it looks nothing like a barn owl.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up, barn-owl, but I really don’t give two “hoots” about what your Tempool owl looks like.</p>
<p>What is Tempool?</p>
<p>Where you go to school, barn-owl! Tempool University. I know, sometimes you try to imagine you don’t go there, but in reality, you do. Stop embarrassing yourself - I thought you already acknowledged that you were defeated by every single poster on this thread besides yourself. Now go argue on another thread why Tempool should be ranked in the top 25 schools instead of as a tier 3 school. Now, let us close with some great quotes by the Tempool barn-owl dantecrispus. </p>
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<p>No, it’s because they couldn’t get into a better school. There are tons of incredible schools that don’t require experience, but most of them are way beyond Tempool. Tempool film school is for people who can’t do anything else. Sorry but it’s not reputable or prestigious.</p>
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<p>Hahaha - unlike the Tempool students who didn’t take any honors classes, got a 3.0 or below, and didn’t do reasonably well on their SAT. Is that what you are saying?</p>
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<p>YOU ARE BIASED BEYOND BELIEF. In every thread, you come in ranting about the greatness of Tempool until someone puts you in your place, and then you proceed to leave. Every post of yours that I’ve ever seen has been argumentative in order to bash other schools and promote your own. </p>
<p>Here is the link to a funny thread: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713022-what-college-would-you-never-go-why-12.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713022-what-college-would-you-never-go-why-12.html</a>. You claim that you would go to Tempool over schools like MIT, UChicago, Duke, CalTech, Notre Dame, NYU, Emory, WashU, Berkeley, Lehigh, Hopkins, etc… Keep telling yourself that “brochacho the barn-owl.” </p>
<p>Intelligent people actually do research to gauge the character and intentions of another. Thank you for embarrassing yourself and Tempool. I bring facts and information to the table - you bring insults. You can’t say anything intelligent or informational so you harp on the intelligence of others. So, go on. Your true colors have already been exposed.</p>
<p>Tempool isn’t even creative, kid.</p>
<p>This thread was truly enthralling. </p>
<p>I’ll add that I was at Temple fairly recently. We left the GPS on the dashboard. On our way back to the car, we saw people pointing and laughing at the GPS left visible. The neighborhood is sketch. </p>
<p>I also go to a public school in PA. The kids from here that go to Temple are, on average, much less academically oriented than those that go to Penn State and more so Pitt. The top students from here that go to state schools go to Pitt (or Shreyer), the partiers go to Penn State, and the rest go to Temple.</p>
<p>It’s been enthralling for me to! Partly because I enjoy arguing my point of view with facts and figures and the helping opinions of others who dissent from the views of dantecrispus. He attempts to outwit me but fails every single time. I write a ten paragraph, thought out response and he comes back with a one line insult where he only comes off as self-righteous. I’ve already asked him to provide information - he didn’t. So I did and a great deal of it I might add! I’ve already exposed him as the Tempool ■■■■■ he is through about 20 or so quotes from other threads he has posted on. He is a biased ■■■■■ who will attack anyone that says anything negative about Tempool, and he retorts by bashing other schools. He simply uses every excuse in the book in order to talk his way out of providing REAL information; it is really only unsubstantiated claims. When I am right, I get an insult. His attitude reflects poorly on his school, but what can you expect from someone who lives under a bridge! You silly barn-owl ■■■■■ you!</p>
<p>I’ll tell you what dantecrispus, I’ll gather some more quotes you have said which only proves what a ■■■■■ you are (you said yourself you only post when Tempool is in the threads). I’m a little tired of your antics right now, so I will end on a post from the first page that I started off with so long ago:</p>
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<p>By the way, to anyone reading these posts, I urge you to take 10 minutes and read through this thread again. It’ll outline the depth I’ve gone into in constructing my argument and showing the truth versus dante who only slanders others while providing no actual basis for HIS argument.</p>
<p>Many thanks!</p>
<p>Dantecrispus, I call angry ■■■■■:</p>
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<p>Here he states that his Top 14 law school list is the following:</p>
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<p>Dante, it is common to hate those that are superior to you - hint: it is called JEALOUSY.</p>
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<p>So, you can get into Tempool with that but not Penn State? Because its admissions is much tougher than Tempool’s, right? Correct?</p>
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<p>I didn’t realize a school with an average student body could be so diverse! It is a diverse school compared to some, but top 5? Get over yourself and your school you biased barn-owl.</p>
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<p>Yes, accepting of everything except other’s opinions as you have so kindly demonstrated.</p>
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<p>Sorry but Drexel is better in engineering in every possible way. You can’t even deny this. It is a fact. Stop embarrassing yourself barn-owl. </p>
<p>LET THE RECORD SHOW:</p>
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<p>So, we are to believe you when you try to fairly judge Penn State in comparison to Tempool. You have a vendetta against Penn State so you aggressively attack it. You are not credible, ■■■■■. Your opinions are worthless because they are sullied by hatred and bias.</p>
<p>You posted this as a comparison between Brown and Tempool:</p>
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<p>Tempool is obviously not a good school, but it’s incredibly lame. Winner: Brown. Look at all the other incredibly schools he disrespects here claiming that he would rather go to Tempool than all the top schools. <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713022-what-college-would-you-never-go-why-12.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713022-what-college-would-you-never-go-why-12.html</a> - that is called living in your fantasies buddy. </p>
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<p>Hehehohohaha. No, they chose Tempool because they either couldn’t get into a better school, and if they did, it was for financial reasons, etc. - not for the academics as you insinuate unless for specialized programs. </p>
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<p>Whenever someone goes onto a thread writing about Tempool be ranked as a Tier 3 school, you throw a hissy fit. You claim that Tempool should be ranked Tier 1, yada, yada, yada, BS, BS, BS. You provide no REASONING behind any of this except for the fact that you are a Tempool student. You never back up your outlandish claims with information. </p>
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<p>You are so kind and accepting of other schools. I truly believe that in every single post, you make a one line claim and then never proceed to back it up.</p>
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<p>For the superior academic and all-around college experience in a sketchy neighborhood right? Oh my, you are very silly. Try they were forced to choose Tempool for financial reasons, home issues, and so forth - don’t make it seem that Tempool is some destination college that people dream of going to…oh wait, you already did!
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<p>Then why in the world are you still trying to?!</p>
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<p>I live in the area, and Villanova is considered a better school. It has a lower acceptance rate, higher SAT scores, 58% of students are in the top tenth of their class versus Tempool’s 21%, 61% of students have above a 3.75 GPA versus Tempool’s 22% - the student body is obviously more intelligent which speaks for the school itself. </p>
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<p>Why are they clueless? You make that statement and then never clarify - learn how to construct an argument you barn-owl. It is called providing supporting evidence. Villanova has a better business school and is definitely harder to get into than Tempool. </p>
<p>I thought that ripping your entire post history and Tempool bias would get tedious after a while, but a ■■■■■ needs to be set in his place. FYI, it IS fun ripping you apart though.</p>
<p>I’d love to know what HS you go to.</p>
<p>I would love for you to explain why every person besides you has reiterated my words almost verbatim. You go to Tempool so of course you can’t hide your favoritism and irrational thinking. All of your posts corroborate what I am saying. Your silence to all my posts is proof that you can not combat the truth in my words. I went to a typical albeit good public school in PA; perhaps instead of trying to change the direction of the argument, you should focus on the overwhelming evidence I have provided. Then again, you can’t deal with contradictory opinions - no matter how correct they are.</p>
<p>That didn’t answer my post.</p>
<p>Hahahahaahah. Beautiful post Tinfoyl.</p>
<p>Swarthmore’s admissions’ office thought my comprehension was good enough for them… so did Penn… Hopkins… UVA… UNC… Vanderbilt… etc… but I guess my comprehension is nothing when compared to yours, i.e. that of a Temple student.</p>
<p>It’s most certainly not.</p>
<p>Congratulations on going to Swarthmore not to mention being accepted to Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, UNC, UVA! I didn’t apply to Swarthmore myself, but I respect the college a great deal - one if not the best LAC around; the education you will receive is superior or equal to almost every college in the U.S. (except for Tempool as we all know). </p>
<p>To be honest, for so long Tempool was my dream school - I wanted to root for the Tempool Barn-Owls and walk around the shady streets surrounding the campus, but it was not to be unfortunately. They rejected me flat-out; the admissions office said that I was not qualified to go to a tier 3 institution like Tempool. I cried for many long weeks knowing that I missed my chance to get an education like few others can get. Eventually I had to accept in despair that I only got into Northwestern, University of Chicago, Duke, Cornell, UVA, NYU, and Johns Hopkins. A consolation prize at best. </p>
<p>Dantecrispus, you have a lack of eloquence about your words that is enviable. The way you throw insults around with such malice is an art. The best part about your posts is something else entirely though: your inability to make sense. So few can claim that they make no sense not only to others but to themselves: schizophrenics, people with bipolar disorder, sociopaths, etc… The way you provide no information to your already baseless claims shows a refined argumentative ability along the lines of a neanderthal. And that it what you are: a barn-owl, neanderthal ■■■■■. When someone says something that you don’t believe in (even though you are biased beyond utter belief - look at all the quotes I provided for example) you try to club them over the head - after all, your speech skills are not very refined. You rely more on grunts than anything. Here is your typical post: “Tempool is an incredible school…oooo oooo aaaa aaaa…the best…eeee oooo…your stupid…OOOO AAAA!” You are embarrassing yourself. </p>
<p>Here is the best part by far: I post pages and pages of raw information corroborated by the opinions of (literally) EVERY SINGLE OTHER POSTER ON THIS THREAD except for you barn-owl. What high school did I go to? Don’t I get to enjoy a little sense of security on an anonymous forum? I live in the Philadelphia area - that is enough information for you. Whether I went to high school x, y, or z, it would not make a difference. You are simply trying to divert attention away from the pages of posts that paint you correctly as the Tempool ■■■■■ you are. You don’t know how to respond so you try to switch topics. Sorry, no can do my little barn-owl buddy. I did my research like you can’t believe. </p>
<p>You can not out-argue intelligence with stupidity. I now want you to respond to all my posts with substantial information to prove that Temple is better than Penn State, Drexel, Villanova, Pitt, etc… I want you to prove that you are not a Tempool ■■■■■, prove that you have a shred of decency, prove that you can make a post without generalizing outlandish claims. Lastly, prove that you can use CC without attacking another poster because he or she is more intelligent than you. But then again, what can you expect out of a Tempool goon.</p>
<p>God, to think you actually take yourself seriously.</p>
<p>gc414, would you like to hear something very funny? Guess where you can go if you want after receiving your associate’s degree from a local community college in 2 years? TEMPOOL, of course!</p>
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<p>That was taken off Tempool’s website. In fact, here are the community colleges where people can automatically transfer into Tempool after their 2 years via an agreement: </p>
<p>Bucks County Community College
Burlington County College
Camden County College
Delaware County Community College
Gloucester County College
Harrisburg Area Community College
Lehigh Carbon Community College
Mercer County Community College
Montgomery County Community College
Northampton Community College
Community College of Philadelphia</p>
<p>Wow, dantecrispus. </p>
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<p>By diverse do you mean that so many kids from community colleges can just automatically transfer into Tempool? Does that help make your school diverse, barn-owl?</p>
<p>Now I’d really feel bad about bashing on a school if this kid wasn’t totally asking for it; knocking my comprehension (which is off sometimes, but not consistently…) and demeaning other institutions in the process. So, in true eye-for-an-eye fashion, let’s make Ghandi proud and have a little discussion on selectivity and superiority, shall we? Hopefully you’ll be able to comprehend this ;).</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way. Last time I checked sports statistics and anecdotal evidence weren’t substantive enough to back a completely illogical and nonexistent argument. Is that what you’re learning at Temple or did you acquire that non-skill on your own?</p>
<p>US News and World Report ranks Temple as a 3rd tier university. It doesn’t have an actual ranking number. For some perspective, Case Western is ranked at 47, and PSU-University Park is ranked at 42 (Swarthmore is ranked 3 amongst Liberal Arts Colleges, if you were curious); that PSU ranking is not even taking into account the additional selectivity and reputation that is associated with Schreyer. For the record, Reader’s Digest named Schreyer, not Temple’s honors program, the best honors college in the nation.</p>
<p>sources (i like to use sources to back up my argument): [Temple</a> University - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/philadelphia-pa/temple-university-3371]Temple”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/philadelphia-pa/temple-university-3371)
[Best</a> Honors College: Penn State](<a href=“http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/best-of-america-penn-state-schreyers-honors/article36183.html]Best”>http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/best-of-america-penn-state-schreyers-honors/article36183.html)</p>
<p>But you know what, let’s not go by rankings because those are oftentimes subjective and inaccurate and because I personally can’t remember the last time <em>I</em> trusted internationally-recognized, third party publications. So let’s look at the statistics. Numbers certainly don’t lie.</p>
<p>In 2009 Schreyer’s SAT middle 50th percentile was 1980-2170. Temple’s was 1500-1800. So, just to clarify, because you seem a little dense, that’s more than a 400-point mean disparity. Speaking of 400, at least 25% of Temple’s accepted applicants scored in the 400s in the writing and critical reading section. Temple Honor’s mean SAT was 1337/1600, Schreyer’s was 1460/1600. I’m not saying that numbers make an institution better, however in this case they do speak to the selectivity of the respective institutions.</p>
<p>That being said, Temple isn’t a terrible institution by any means; but to compare it to Schreyer is absolutely absurd. I’ve heard good things about Tyler and Temple’s law school is quite reputable and know as being one of the best values in its field.</p>
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<p>Guaranteed, that is where dantecrispus the barn-owl ■■■■■ stopped reading. He is allergic to facts and evidence that demeans Tempool, don’t you know? If you don’t say that Tempool is perfect in every way then you are asking for it! Sometimes the truth isn’t good enough to quell our insecurities as dante has so kindly exhibited - lies and delusional thinking are HIS life blood. </p>
<p>Very well written post though. Informative too.</p>
<p>Obvious hyperbole aside, before everyone bashes Temple too much, be aware that its admission numbers for 2009 were middle SAT: 1500-1810, 21% in top 10% of hs class, and a 3.41 average GPA. Meanwhile, system-wide, PSU’s admissions numbers were middle SAT: 1430-1750, 25.6% in top 10% of hs class, and a 3.20 average GPA. It may be harder to get into PSU-main as a freshman (40% of their total undergrads), but it isn’t necessarily harder to get into Penn State. Everyone at PSU gets the same diploma whether they transfer to main or not.</p>
<p>I’m sorry to tell you this wgmcp, but your stats are not correct. I doubt you are looking at University Park which is what we are discussing here - the MAIN campus not satellite campuses. Actually, those statistics which can be found here <a href=“http://admissions.psu.edu/facts/studentbody/[/url]”>http://admissions.psu.edu/facts/studentbody/</a> don’t even include University Park that you posted. So here are the correct stats that have been provided by both Penn State’s website and Collegeboard:</p>
<p>For Penn State, the middle GPA range is 3.52 - 3.97 with a middle SAT range of 1750-1990. The middle 50% for ACT scores is 26-30. Going more in depth, 50% of students were in the top 10% of their high school class. 61% of the student body had a 3.5+ GPA. Yet, since we all know that GPA doesn’t take into consideration course load, the students at the top of their class carries more merit. </p>
<p>For Temple, 44% of the student body had a 3.5+ GPA but only 21% were in the top tenth of their class which is a precipitous drop from the 50% PSU has. The middle SAT range for Temple is 1500-1810. </p>
<p>In regards to honors colleges, gc414 posted this previously, and it is quite convincing:</p>
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<p>Schreyer’s is the number one HC in the country so that does not come as much of a surprise in terms of statistical analysis. </p>
<p>But statistics only tell a part of the story. I can relay to you that I know that the “average” PSU student had a more well rounded resume in terms of extracurriculars, etc. - that is highly subjective I admit, but it is the shared feelings of many other posters who graduated from local schools. They were generally enrolled in more difficult classes as well which is evidenced by class rank. </p>
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<p>Along with gc414, that represents the opinions of many people from many different Pennsylvania/Philadelphia schools. As I said earlier, my Naviance portal reads that the average SAT for admittance is a 1680 and a 3.15 GPA. There were certainly outliers, but the averages hold up from school to school - especially when we are discussing publics schools like Temple and PSU which really don’t differentiate “too much” between in-state schools.</p>
<p>Now in terms of selectivity, I would say that the 34% OOS for PSU reveals a bit on that front as well considering Temple is only 25% OOS. Penn State also has 11,000 more undergraduate students than Temple which would affect admissions rates - if PSU was the size of Temple you would probably see admissions rates be down much more than they are. </p>
<p>Yet, in general, it is my experience that the kids who go to Penn State are more well rounded and intelligent than the ones that go to Temple - these same PSU kids may have even gotten a scholarship to Temple. That is a generalization, I know. There are kids at Temple who are every bit as smart, but in my graduating class and in the years prior, I have known a great deal of the students who entered into which university, and the standards were higher for Penn State. As I said, I have no bias because I didn’t apply to either school - I just want to tell it as it is WITHOUT the bias that seems so prevalent in diontechristmas’ posts. I have already proven the lack of credibility in that regard, but here I am trying to prove my own credibility. Others are in agreement with my analysis of my high school class entering both universities; they even share eerily similar stories of their graduating class mirroring mine in terms of Temple and Penn State admittance record. </p>
<p>While I don’t think rank should be the end all be all, especially since one school may be rated higher by one point over another, ranks do show general patterns. For example, if you compared Emory and Vanderbilt in the U.S. News Rankings, you will get people who say one school is better because of this rank or that, but in reality, the ranks are so close that saying which one is best is only nitpicking - they are equal. Yet, when you take schools that are much farther apart, this is not nitpicking because the gap is too large. Penn State, Honors College aside, is ranked the 47th best university nationally by U.S. News. While that may be correct or incorrect, there is a large difference between Temple which is ranked as a Tier 3 school nationally. As I said, rankings are subjective and note always correct, but a difference that big should be noted. These two schools are not even classified in the same category. </p>
<p>I think that I have been clear with these posts. Temple is a fine school, but if you want the truth, I have already provided it through research not overgeneralization. I have been methodical in my approach to this subject, so it is a slight to me when you don’t follow through with the same effort I put into my posts. </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>No, my stats are correct. They are the average of students across the Penn State system (I rounded up mind you) including University Park. Penn State does not publish this number but it was calculated from combining each campuses’ individual common data set. Maybe you didn’t read my post. I clearly stated that the stats were for the whole Penn State system, including University Park. Schreyer is part of PSU, its statistics are included in the admission statistics of University Park, which is not what was suggested above by another poster. So Schreyer was ranked as the number one honors college according to a five-year-old Readers’ Digest article. What is the methodology of that ranking? Was the methodology even published? Was the ranking ever published subsequently? Unknown, no and no as far as I can tell which makes it mostly a meaningless bragging point. There are no consistent, yearly ranking of honors colleges in the US because honors colleges are not remotely uniformly constructed in their operations, if a school even has one. In fact, Schreyer’s statistics, like all honors colleges at every university, are simply folded into to the overall numbers of any common data set, and to suggest otherwise is misleading. A better question is to ask how many Rhodes (or Marshall, etc) Scholars has Schreyer produced in the last 20 years? Two (1997 and 2001) to Temple’s zero. That is a more fair comparison IMO, because it address the competitiveness and high achievement of the top students and how the environment of the honors college helps them to prepare competitive applications for these scholarship/fellowship competitions.</p>
<p>The point is, everyone at Penn State, regardless of campus, gets the exact same diploma. There is no designation by campus. In fact, only 40% of Penn State grads start at University Park and large majority transfer in from the branch campuses. My stats are correct for PSU system-wide, and Temple’s freshman admission statistics, as a whole system without branches, are as good or better.</p>
<p>Here are the stats for each PSU branch pulled straight from their 2009-10 Common Data Sets:</p>
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<p>University Park (main): 51.6%, 1630-1940, 49.82%, 3.55
Abington: 84.3%, 1240-1580, 6.18%, 2.98
Altoona: 87.5%, 1340-1650, 6.19%, 3.04
Beaver: 93%, 1240-1570, 6.19%, 2.91
Berks: 83.5%, 1330-1640, 6.08%, 2.97
Brandywine: 85.3%, 1260-1600, 8.25%, 2.96
Dubois: 91.8%, 1200-1510, 4.52%. 2.83
Erie: 86.8%, 1380-1690, 14.1%, 3.21
Fayette: 92.5%, 1180-1530, 11.79%, 3.00
Greater Allegheny: 86.1%, 1180-1570, 9.09%, 2.85
Harrisburg: 86.2%, 1360-1690, 9.83%, 3.08
Hazelton: 91.9%, 1200-1550, 7.54%, 2.33
Lehigh Valley: 93.6%, 1260-1610, 7.91%, 2.81
Mont Alto: 90%, 1230-1580, 9.28%, 2.93
New Kensington: 88.7%, 1260-1580, 7.24%, 2.87
Schuykill: 85.7%, 1100-1430, 5.4%, 2.74
Shenango: 77.3%, 1210-1520, 2.68%, 2.86
Wilkes-Barre: 91%, 1260-1590, 4.42%, 2.95
Worthington Scranton: 88.7%, 1190-1520, 3.76%, 2.83
York: 87.4%, 1265-1625, 8.46%, 2.91</p>
<p>Here is the combined system, weighted for number of freshman at each campus:
Applicants admitted: 72.3%
SAT 25-75 percentiles: 1427-1747
top 10% of HS class: 25.6%
average GPA: 3.20</p>
<p>Before the pot calls the kettle black, making unsubstantiated and biased conclusions based on inconsequential circumstantial examples, and trying to talk circles around admission statistics that don’t suit you while championing those that do, better to self evaluate thoroughly first. The truth is, you have a lot to learn about being methodical. Is Dionte biased? Of course, but turn that spotlight inward.</p>