<p>I have eliminated G-town since I realllly dont want to take another SAT2 just to apply to a reach school. Anyone know if any of these other schools on my list require 3?</p>
<p>Why is that hmom5? Are all private schools that cost the same as Michigan automatically superior? Michigan is a world class top notch university period, public or private. It is not simply a good state school.</p>
<p>Not all at once…</p>
<p>clam down novi, its not a top notch school in every aspect. maybe for engineering, but not world wide. </p>
<p>and yes Private>public due to attention and smaller class size</p>
<p>What are the thoughts on UMiami? They have a good business school but is it a good school otherwise or not really?</p>
<p>collegebound41. Michigan is better known worldwide than half of the schools ranked above it, maybe even more. I suggest you CALM down and realize that ACADEMICALLY IT’S indeed a top notch school, in every RESPECT.</p>
<p>this is how I would trim it down:</p>
<p>Emory
USC
UMiami
Babson
Bentley
NYU
UPenn
UVA</p>
<p>all of them have top business schools, most with good aid, most with the qualities you were looking for, and you have a good balance of reaches and non-reaches</p>
<p>apply ED to penn. if you have the opportunity to attend Upenn as a business student, you do it.</p>
<p>LOL michigan is not a top school worldwide. it has no name recognition out of the us. stop crying seriously. you guys cant even beat appalachian state and you’re in a cheating scandal right now. Penn state has better name recognition and probably the best for a public university</p>
<p>Def: I really love Penn and during the summer I am essentially on campus every day… but I’m not sure why I dont feel so enthusiastic about applying…
For one, my mom works one block away at the hospital. Also, its close enough to home (25 minutes) that my parents would probably check up on me, which would suck as I was looking forward to distancing myself from my parents a bit. Finally, I sorta wanted to get to know a different place pretty well and plant roots somewhere where I’m not already familiar. At the same time, I get what you are saying… Penn is an Ivy and has a Top 2/3 business school and it’s hard to pass that up no matter what. Is Wharton really cut throat? Im a competitor but a bit of a procrastinator so if its extremely cut throat I’m not sure that that is the environment for me.</p>
<p>“LOL michigan is not a top school worldwide. it has no name recognition out of the us. stop crying seriously. you guys cant even beat appalachian state and you’re in a cheating scandal right now. Penn state has better name recognition and probably the best for a public university.”</p>
<p>You couldn’t possibly be serious? Oh, you’re about seventeen I assume, so I’ll just guess that you are serious.</p>
<p>I appreciate you guys bumping my thread haha but if you could give advice instead of arguing I’d appreciate that also.</p>
<p>Sorry about that FP9. If you have your heart set on being preadmitted into a business school as a freshman, then I would suggest you remove Michigan from your list. It is extremely difficult to get admitted to Ross before matriculating to the university. I’ll just assume that PsU is your safety school.</p>
<p>guys, lets help OP here. Wharton may be ranked top 2 or 3 but absolutely nothing looks better than wharton on a job application. they get the most recruited by employers and are extremely, extremely, extremely well connected. Simply tell your parents that you would like to distance yourself in college and you understand theyre excited for you and will miss you, but this is a time to sew your own roots. They will probably understand. My brother goes to college nearby, we never see him lol. Seriosuly, talk to your parents they will understand.</p>
<p>But, the coach at michigan did this. he worked his players far too hard and the players arent thanking him for his unfair practices, they hate him and a few have quit. Michigan is top notch, definitely better than penn state and its business school is top notch. It is possible that they dont get recognition outside the US, but if you are looking for a job within the US borders, the michigan diploma will serve you well.</p>
<p>novi, what are the requirements to get into Ross after freshman year? It would suck to go to UMich for one year and then not get into the business school. Is this why I should only look for places that I apply directly to the biz school?</p>
<p>haha my bad man. And yeah that kid is def crazy lol.</p>
<p>Def, I was not going to post on this thread, but given the negative (and faulty) comments written about Michigan, I fear I have little choice but to correct a few </p>
<p>First of all, let me address the least serious of the topics that have been discussed above. Michigan’s football program did not “cheat”. Many coaches and athletes have already come to the defense of coach Rodriguez. Anybody involved in competitive Division I athletics will tell you that 20 hours of preparation is not sufficient. Players are expected to practice with the coaches for 20 hoursperweek, but when they are done with the coaches, they must practice and workout on their own if they really wish to be competitive. That’s how it is in every competitive domain, be it professional, academic or athletic. This whole story is based on the reports of a handful of ex-Michigan players who left the program because they did not fit in the roster as they had hoped (i.e. they were disguntled). Only two or three players currently at Michigan (all true-freshmen) were involved, and they were most likely misled by the journalist who broke this fabricated and pointless story. The NCAA is conducting an investigation and will find that Michigan’s coaching staff did nothing out of the ordinary, the ex-players who tried to hurt Michigan will have a black spot on their record for lack of integrity (I’d love to see NFL programs pick up such standup whistleblowers!) and the report who so enthusiastically and underhandedly published this story will have cherish it all.</p>
<p>As for Michigan as an academic institution, it is obviously very strong and very well rounded. Only a handfull of universities (5 quite literally) are appreciably better. Public universities such as Cal, Michigan and UVa, transcend labels. Like all great universities, public or private, they are excellent and very much worth attending…and like all great universities, public or private, they are not worth attending if attending means getting into major debt. The claim made by a poster above that somehow, Michigan is only worth attending if one has state-resident status, floored me. Of Michigan’s 41,000 students (graduate and undergraduate), a whopping 21,000 do not have state-resident status. Michigan’s Business school is unanimously considered among the top 5 undergraduate programs in the nation and among the top 10 MBA programs in the nation. Michigan’s Engineering program is as strong if not stronger. Michigan’s Arts and Science departments are also excellent, most of which are ranked between #1 and #10 in the nation. Michigan’s endowment, prior to the late 2008 financial meltdown, was the 6th largest university endowment in the World. According to most polls conducted in academe and industry, Michigan is considered one of the top 10 or top 15 research university for undergraduate education. </p>
<p>Finally, and quite possibly the most inaccurate claim posted above, is that of Michigan’s international standing. Michigan’s international reputation is stellar. I have lived and worked in Western Europe for several years and in the Middle East for over 20 years and in both areas, Michigan is very highly regarded. In Germany, It is generally considered among the top 7 or 8 US universities because itis the original US university to have been founded on the German model of higher education (emphasis on research, seminars and science rather than themore classical model that emphasized lecture and the humanities). In France and England, it is typically considered one of the top 15 US universities. The three major international rankings of global universities all rank Michigan among the top 25 universities in the World and among the top 20 universities in the US. I admit that those rankings are as faulty as any other, but they obviously are grounded, ever-so-slightly, on how universities are perceived internationally. Below are the three international rankings:</p>
<p>Newsweek (US-based ranking)
According to the Newsweek ranking, Michigan is ranked #11 in the World and #9 in the US.</p>
<p><a href=“http://ucla.nus.edu/NewsweekTop100GlobalUniversities2006.pdf[/url]”>http://ucla.nus.edu/NewsweekTop100GlobalUniversities2006.pdf</a></p>
<p>Shanghai Jiao Ton University Ranking (Asian-based ranking)
According to the SJTU ranking, Michigan is ranked #21 in the World and #18 in the US.</p>
<p>[ARWU2008[/url</a>]</p>
<p>Times (European-based ranking)
According to the Times ranking, Michigan is ranked #18 in the World and #13 in the US.</p>
<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/]QS”>http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/]QS</a> Top Universities: Top 100 universities in the THE - QS World University Rankings 2007](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm]ARWU2008[/url”>http://www.arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm)</p>
<p>So, like I said above, Michigan’s international reputation is stellar.</p>
<p>Now to narrow your list from 12 to 8. </p>
<p>Emory (out for lack of school spirit surrounding athletic teams)
USC
Georgetown
GWU (out for lack of school spirit surrounding athletic teams)
UMiami
Babson (out for lack of school spirit surrounding athletic teams)
Bentley (out for lack of school spirit surrounding athletic teams)
BC
UMichigan
NYU (out for lack of school spirit surrounding athletic teams)
UPenn
UVA</p>
<p>I would add Indiana University-Bloomington and either Penn State or Ohio State safeties.</p>
<p>So, the list I would recommend would look like this:</p>
<p>Boston College
Georgetown University
Indiana University-Bloomington
University of Miami
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of Pennsylvania
University of Southern California
University of Virginia</p>
<p>And to answer your question regarding transfering into Ross once at the University of Michigan, you would have to maintain a 3.5+ GPA during your first year at Michigan.</p>
<p>thanks for the rant and reiteration of espn on the topic.</p>
<p>btw, research universities are for the most part public(UCs, michigan, etc) with the exception of johns hopkins and harvard/yale(i guess)</p>