Preferred Admit to Ross v UVA v Emory v Wash U

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<p>What do you guys think? In specifics to the business program.</p>

<p>Also, do you feel like Ross has a subculture within the overall University? I like Ross, but I'm not into the "rah rah" atmosphere/culture of UMich that seems predicated on partying, and frankly, lots of the people who get admitted don't strike me as the extremely intellectual types (in the overall university, not Ross). Not all of course, but the majority. </p>

<p>What's your opinion? I'm just basing this on my perception.</p>

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<p>perception based on?</p>

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<p>DRose, Michigan is an intellectual university within an intellectual community (Ann Arbor). Your concerns are certainly understandable and commandable, but not needed. If you seek an intellectual student body, you will find it at Michigan.</p>

<p>As for the business schools you are considering, they are all good, but I think Ross and McIntire are slightly better than Goueizetta and Olin and since you have been preadmitted into Ross and not admitted into McIntire, I recommend Ross.</p>

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<p>1) Michigan is not a “party school” and certainly not more so than UVA. There probably is a better social scene at UMich and UVA than at Emory or WashU, for most that’s a positive. It’s not necessarily partying per say, it’s just that having competitive sports teams leads to a more vibrant, communal atmosphere. </p>

<p>2)Ross is the best out of all of those schools business wise, so if you are dead set on business and tuition isn’t a factor (you aren’t instate at either UVA or UMich), you should choose Michigan.</p>

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<p>I’m fine with the whole sports thing (my username itself should illustrate how I’m a fan of basketball :)).</p>

<p>The thing is, I’m not 100% on business. I’m pretty confident I want to do business, but I also have interests in math, econ, philosophy, and even film studies. Would you say the liberal arts college at UMich is stronger than the one at UVA? I do think being PA to Ross is something to consider though.</p>

<p>My biggest concern for both UVA and UMich is that they are so large, and I never saw myself going to such large schools. Did anyone else have the same preoccupations? How did they turn out? </p>

<p>Also, can anyone comment on the Ross community? Is it tight-knit? I just don’t want to get lost in the system, and being more of an introvert, I want to know if I’ll find UMich and UVA too uncomfortable.</p>

<p>Money isn’t a problem.</p>

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<p>Michigan is ranked very high in Math (#8), Philosophy (#4) and Economics (#12). None of the other schools you are considering are as strong as Michigan in those fields (or even ranked among the top 25 for that matter). Math and Philosophy are fairly uncommon majors at Michigan and therefore afford undergrads great faculty interaction and attention. Not so much with Econ, although double majoring in Business and Econ does not make much sense. I think Business and Math would be a great double major and given Michigan’s flexible curriculum, certainly manageable. </p>

<p>Michigan is obviously large, but it is certainly not overwhelming once you get used to it. I am an introvert myself and I fit in just fine.</p>

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<p>Michigan is one of the most well-rounded schools in the country. All of their programs are really strong. The large student body shouldn’t intimidate you if you find a group of friends to hang around.</p>

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<p>Alexandre, double majoring in math and business could be scary since math is hard. It would likely make a person graduating from Ross have a significantly lower GPA than their peers who solely did the BBA, and I’m not entirely sure if the double major would balance that out.</p>

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<p>“Would you say the liberal arts college at UMich is stronger than the one at UVA?”</p>

<p>DRose2012: You already have at the UVA boards stated that:</p>

<p>"I’m not 100% about business. I enjoy Econ, Math, Philosophy, and even a bit of Film Study. </p>

<p>This is one of the main reasons I place UVA higher than UMich, because I feel their liberal arts school overall is much better."</p>

<p>You are mistaken. Michigan is actually better overall as a liberal arts school. Academically, it is stronger overall in the vast majority of disciplines.</p>

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<p>@rjkofnovi</p>

<p>Yeah, that was what I originally thought. Coming from Chicago, we have lots of students who go to UMich. Frankly, the students who get into UVA are much much stronger than those who get into UMich, which is what I based my perception off of. Plus, my Philosophy and Ethics teacher went to UVA and is arguably the most intelligent person I know. Maybe this is why I’m so hesitant. So many people go to UMich that I (this might come off as elitist) didn’t think were that intellectual.</p>

<p>Which is why I was wondering if a current Ross student could comment on the school itself. Is there a Ross “community?” </p>

<p>Still, I think I’m leaning towards Ross as of right now compared to UVA. I like UVA’s campus better, but the new building for Ross is pretty amazing. Comparable programs though. </p>

<p>Anyone care to comment in comparison to UChicago? Keep in mind, I mean the overall education/academics only. I know very well the stigmas attached to the social life there. </p>

<p>Also, one quick last question. How quickly does the good housing fill up? I want to know how long I have to wait before I make a decision without sacrificing anything.</p>

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<p>DRose, perhaps your high school has a strong relationship with Michigan that explains why so many of your students are admitted. The student bodies at Michigan and UVa are virtually identical (identical class ranks and SAT/ACT ranges). </p>

<p>The University of Chicago is obviously insanely intellectual. I would say it is one of a handful of research universities (not including LACs which tend to be more intellectual than research universities) in the US that is more intellectual than Michigan. </p>

<p>Ross is its own college, just like the CoE and LSA. Obviously, having only 1,100 undergrads enrolled in it and just one building to study/hang out in, Ross does have a nice intimate, community feel to it. However, students at Michigan do not identify much with their specific college but with the university as a whole.</p>

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<p>UVa:
23,587 applied, 7,851 admitted (33% acceptance rate)
Mid 50% SAT CR: 610-720
Mid 50% SAT M: 630-740
Mid 50% SAT W: 620-720
Mid 50% ACT: 28-32
91% graduated among the top 10% of their high school class</p>

<p>[Common</a> Data Set: Institutional Assessment and Studies, University of Virginia](<a href=“http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/datacatalog/cds/admission.shtm]Common”>http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/datacatalog/cds/admission.shtm)</p>

<p>Michigan:
39,584 applied, 16,073 admitted (40% acceptance rate)
Mid 50% SAT CR: 600-700
Mid 50% SAT M: 650-750
Mid 50% SAT W: 620-720
Mid 50% ACT 28-32
~90-95% graduated among the top 10% of their high school class</p>

<p><a href=“Office of Budget and Planning”>Office of Budget and Planning;

<p>Like I said, virtually identical student bodies as far as stats can prove. It should be noted that UVa superscores SAT, which probably adds a few points to their SAT averages.</p>

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<p>That just makes my decision a whole lot harder :(.</p>

<p>I also have to factor in UChicago now. Very intellectual, which I like. Also, my dad said that he always wanted to get a <em>nice</em> condo downtown, and me going there would be incentive. I could use it whenever I wanted. I think he’s trying to bribe me to stay close to home.</p>

<p>Bleh.</p>

<p>Alexandre, do you know when I should make my decision by if I want to get good housing and stuff?</p>

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<p>What do you want to do after graduation?</p>

<p>UChicago has a higher reputation than Emory, UMich, UVA or WashU if that’s a factor.</p>

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<p>I want to go into business. Finance or consulting. For a few years at least, then either start my own company or take over my dads. That’s the current plan at least. I’m sure it could change.</p>

<p>I know UChicago has a higher reputation. I’m just wary due to all the stigmas attached to the school.</p>

<p>I crossed out Emory and Wash U from my list. Basically, it’s UVA, UMich, UChicago, and hoping to get off the waitlist from Wharton lol.</p>

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<p>I would go with UVA or UMich then since I feel like they have a stronger recruiting pipeline into Investment Banking and Management Consulting. Bain and McKinsey don’t even recruit at UChicago which is kind of a shocker.</p>

<p>You can definitely get these super elite jobs if you go to Chicago though if you work hard since it’s an extremely well respected name. The CEOs of Lazard and Credit Suisse are both University of Chicago graduates. I think the alumni network of Chicago is weaker than that of peer schools like Dartmouth and Duke which have rabid graduates who look after their own and promote the companies they work for to current students.</p>

<p>Haha I take back what I said in the first sentence…it’s too close to call between Ross, UVA and UChicago.</p>

<p>I would really sit and think about this decision hard because I would be extremely divided if I were in your shoes. Chicago has the stronger and more intellectual student body and sounds like it would be an excellent student body. You could also live/vacation/party in your dad’s condo in Chicago which sounds like a pretty attractive deal.</p>

<p>Don’t worry about Chicago’s "stigma’; the school’s student body is more like the Ivies, Duke, Northwestern, and Stanford now since the school decided to join the Common Application and is becoming more “mainstream”.</p>

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<p>It’s a good problem to have, but yeah, I’m divided. It’s interesting that you speak about their student body changing. I might enjoy UChicago more than since I do want a really intellectual environment. </p>

<p>Then again, I’ve had my friend tell me how he regretted PA to Ross.</p>

<p>Once again, does anyone have a tentative date/time after which housing and similar things become unavailable? I don’t want to sacrifice anything by going back and forth on this decision for too long.</p>

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<p>DRose, for housing, I recommend you commit to a university quickly. Do not wait until May 1 to decide. You should be able to make a well-informed decision by April 10-15. At that point, go ahead and pay your deposit at the school of your choice.</p>

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<p>DRose, do not let what anybody says influence your decision. Let us face it, most people you are talking to are, like yourself, young and not very experienced. And the old fogeys like myself are not much better informed either :wink: . </p>

<p>You obviously have three great choices in Chicago, Michigan and UVa. I am not sure why you did not list Chicago as one of your choices earlier. It really should be taken seriously. Chicago does indeed have the best reputation of the three, Michigan is second and UVa is third. But the difference between all of them is negligible. I would say that HYPSM are the clear top 5 universities in the nation. After those 5, the next four are Cal, Caltech, Chicago and Columbia. The next sub-group includes schools like Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Michigan, Northwestern and Penn and the one after that includes schools like CMU, Emory, Georgetown, Rice, UVa, Vanderbilt and WUSTL. In other words, all three of those universities you are thinking of are considered elite. You will have varrying opinions on how good those schools are of course, but I am not going on opinion but rather on expert ratings conducted by academe. </p>

<p>I would also not worry about professional placement. You will find a good job coming out of any of those three universities if you maintain a good GPA and take an active approach to your job hunt starting with internships after your Sophomore year. </p>

<p>So, academically, Chicago > Michigan > UVa, but all three are elite. Professional placement, all three schools rock! </p>

<p>Focus instead on fit. Where do you think you will be happiest? Those schools are very different from each other. I never considered UVa personally, but I did have a choice between Chicago and Michigan and for me, the campus atmosphere at the latter, along with the college town feel, won me over. There is no doubt Chicago has a more intellectual atmosphere though, and if that is something you value greatly, you should seriously consider going there.</p>

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<p>I don’t think the OP could go wrong with Ross. It seems to offer everything he is looking for. As Alexandre mentioned, a Ross class is about 300-400 students. They are all taking the same core courses so there is a “smaller school within a larger school” feel to it but not during the first year.</p>

<p>Michigan has strong programs in math, econ, philosophy and film studies. I wouldn’t recommend the double major with the Ross program but there will be ample opportunity to take classes in these areas outside of the Ross core curriculum.</p>

<p>If the OP is looking for a more intellectual community at U-M, then he should consider the honors program which would be more intellecutual than the university as a whole. I don’t know if the OP applied to the honors college or if it is too late to apply for Fall 2012, but I presume a Ross pre-admit would meet the criteria. I would concur that University of Chicago has a reputation for being more intellectual than U-M (or the others on his list) but U-M and Chicago are essentially peers in overall reputation and I don’t think the Chicago degree would be more prestigious. I would not choose Chicago over U-M if you are wary of going there.</p>

<p>Michigan is a great place for students from the Chicago area. A large portion of the student body comes from Chicago and there is a large U-M alumni base in Chicago (I am told that only Illinois has a larger alumni base in Chicago). The transportation back and forth is convenient (there is regular bus, train and plane service and the trip by car is about 4 hours). I know that in the Chicago area that U-M degree will be more recognized that the UVa degree - I believe the same is true in New York (which also has a large U-M alumni base).</p>

<p>As far as the “rah-rah” atmosphere, there is a lot of school spirit at U-M. I lot of this comes from the Big Ten sports atmosphere. I think this translate into a positive experience after graduation. There are certainly parties but U-M is not a party school and there are plenty of social opportunities that don’t center around drinking.</p>

<p>If you are interested in U-M, I would send in your $200 and sign up for orientation and housing. I would make sure the housing application gets in by the deadline in May. The deposit is non-refundable but may be worth it for you.</p>

<p>If you get off the waitlist at Wharton, that changes your decision process. I wish you luck.</p>