Help me select a college for music/academics!

Hi all - I need this forum’s sage advice! I am a high school junior beginning my college search. I plan on majoring in music and possibly double majoring in another academic area (like Classics, perhaps).

Stats:
GPA - top 6% of class
SAT - top 6%
ECs - CA All-State Honor Band (Soph/Jr), CA All-State Honor Orchestra (Jr), additional performance-related solo competition awards, high school drum major, etc.

College requirements:

  1. Great music program
  2. Great academic reputation in general
  3. In (or at least very near) a major metro area

Right now I am considering Northwestern, Rice, UCLA, and University of Washington. How do these schools look? What should I add to/cut from this list?

THANK YOU!!

Hi @IamCandide

Take a look at the essay titled “The Double Degree Dilemma” at the top of the Music Major forum here at CC - it talks about the different ways to study music in college and how music may be combined with other disciplines. Here is a link: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/1948726-double-degree-dilemma-essay-written-by-david-lane-p1.html

As you will see if you read the essay, there are many ways to study music, and you don’t have to decide which way is best for you right away. You do need to decide if you want to apply for a BM - bachelor of music - program (performance-oriented, usually requires an audition) or a BA music program (more of an academic, liberal arts type degree, often does not require an audition). Some people apply to some BA and some auditioned BM music programs in order to have (hopefully) a variety of options in the spring. Applying to audition-based programs is complex and in many cases different admissions rules apply. Application and prescreen recording deadlines are generally early, as well.

In most cases those looking at BM programs as well as another academic disclipline will have to do a double degree (e.g. BM and BA) which normally takes at least 5 years because you have to fulfill the requirements of two different schools within a university, and there is very little overlap between those requirements. Those looking at a BA music program can more easily do a double major all within the school of arts and sciences because the same general requirements will apply to both a BA in Music and another liberal arts major.

Some music schools are generally supportive of double degrees (like Northwestern, for example), others strongly discourage it (I’ve heard that Rice falls into this category). Some highly ranked schools do not offer a performance-based music degree at all and will offer a BA only. Some majors are easier to combine with music than others, too. Classics would probably be easier than a STEM program with lots of labs that might conflict with music rehearsals, for example. You have to look at the details of the music offerings at each school you’re interested in.

At top music schools like Northwestern and Rice, some music opportunities, ensembles and professors may be reserved for performance majors and a BA music major may not have access to them. Also be aware that at top music schools, the audition is often much more important than GPA/test scores as long as your stats show you are likely to succeed academically at that school. Double degree students, on the other hand, will need to meet the standards of both the music school and the other school at the university to which they are applying.

If you are thinking about a dual degree, then take a look at Johns Hopkins/Peabody Conservatory, U of Rochester/Eastman School of Music, and U of Michigan (Ann Arbor is not a major city but it’s an AWESOME small city). Those schools all have established dual degree programs and are very strong in both music and academics. If you’re willing to consider smaller schools that aren’t in a major metro area look at Oberlin, Bard, and Lawrence, which have many students doing double degrees.

There are also some top schools that have dual degree programs with a conservatory e.g. Tufts and Harvard and the New England Conservatory. The link below says there is also a new Harvard/Berklee program. Be aware it is often much harder to get into this type of dual programs than it is to get into either school by itself.

http://admissions.tufts.edu/academics/school-of-arts-sciences/special-degree-paths/combined-degree-with-the-new-e/
https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/application-process/dual-degree-music-programs

College lists for musicians applying to BM programs are often developed based on the professor(s) teaching your instrument. Many music schools are better and/or more competitive on some instruments than others, and some schools that aren’t necessarily top music schools will still be worth considering if they have a top professor on your instrument. If you post over at the Music Major forum and tell us your instrument you will likely get good suggestions from music parents and students. Talk to your private teacher for college and summer program suggestions tailored to you, as well. If you are serious about applying to BM programs, look for summer music programs where you might be able to study with one or more top teachers on your instrument. Good luck!

What is your financial situation? Asking since you are OOS for UWashington.

@classicalsaxmom

Wow thanks for such a thoughtful post! I wonder what the true difference between a BM at one music school and a BA at another music school that selects students based on their audition and provides a music performance emphasis? For example, I understand UCLA offers a BA in performance, which requires private lessons all four years, juries, and junior/senior recitals. I am sure there are differences, but they do sound comparable (at least according to that article you shared.)

Have you looked at LACs like Oberlin? They have a program that you get a BA and a BM in 5 years. https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/double-degree-program

check out U Southern California- it has the Thorton School of Music and overall is academically rated the equal to UCLA. You can receive either a BA or a BS in Music.
USC encourages its most capable students to double major or major /minor in diverse areas.
In addition, they offer hundreds of merit scholarships, including an automatic 1/2 tuition scholarship, if you are accepted AND are a NMF.
Be sure to apply by their Dec 1 deadline in order to be eligible for all merit scholarships . And Thorton may have earlier application deadlines/ requirements for auditions, etc.

@IamCandide I am not familiar with UCLA’s BA program, but in many cases a BM program will involve a broader and deeper study of music, with several semesters each of music theory, aural skills, music history, piano study, chamber and large ensemble work, in addition to lessons/juries/recitals. There often is not a lot of room to explore other academic interests. The peer group will likely be at a different level in an auditioned program vs. a non auditioned program. What is right for you will depend on why you want to study music, your other academic interests, and your career goals.

Poke around the web sites for the schools/departments of music at schools you are loooking at. Many schools will have a student handbook or academic advising worksheets that give you an idea of a typical four year course of study so you can more easily compare them. For example, here is one for a BM in Instrumental performance at the Eastman School of Music: https://www.esm.rochester.edu/registrar/files/2014/05/Bachelor-of-Music-Wood-Brass-and-Percussion.pdf

On the financial side, BM programs often will have talent-based merit awards for admitted students. Large awards are less common at public universities except those that happen to have top music schools, like Michigan and Indiana. Some BA programs may have music merit available or scholarships for lessons or something like that but it varies by school. Some schools will allow music and academic merit to stack, others will not. Again, merit info is often discussed on a school of music’s web site. Music merit may be less predictable than academic merit, however, with awards depending on a school’s instrumental needs that year and how much they want to enroll a specific student.

When you visit schools, try to arrange for both a music school tour and a sample lesson with the professor on your instrument. It’s important to find a good teacher fit, and sample lessons can be illuminating. Many profs also will talk about the program before or after the lesson and can answer specific questions.

@classicalsaxmom From what I could gather, UCLA’s BA program in their School of Music involves two years of music theory, two years of music history, piano proficiency, and a certain amount of small chamber and large ensemble coursework for performance majors. Composition and education majors probably do not have that requirement. The program also requires auditions for admission, and seems to have about a 15% acceptance rate, from what I could gather…

Thanks again for your great insight!

UCLA’s BA is the exception to the rule. No one I know understands why it’s not just called a BM. However, I do believe there may be more general ed requirements than in some other Music Performance programs. The BA at UCLA is in almost all ways identical to a BM including admission to the university being dependent on the audition. At least in the past if one was not admitted to the music program then one could not switch to a different major for admission. It was all or nothing.

If you’re looking for a strong Northwest music program rather than UW look at University of Puget Sound. Private but they offer substantial aid.

@SpiritManager Very interesting info - thanks!

If you have any interest in smaller schools, you could check out Oberlin and Lawrence. You would probably get good merit aid from Lawrence.