Help with SAT/ACT frequency & timing

<p>While I've lurked here for quite some time, this is my first post and question!</p>

<p>I'd love some feedback and advice regarding test-taking strategy. Here's the background:</p>

<p>My son (a junior) took both SAT and ACT (w/out writing) this past Fall. SAT was 2190 and ACT was 34. Plan all along was to submit both scores to schools as to show scoring consistency across the different tests, especially because we hope it will offset GPA, which is about a 3.4 (school doesn't calculate GPAs). It's a very competitive school where almost 30% of the graduating class goes off to ivies. I only say this to illustrate that we will ultimately look at top 30ish (USNWR) schools where kids with similar grades are usually accepted (since there is grade deflation at work).</p>

<p>Despite the inter-changeability of ACT vs. SAT scores, I feel it would be better for him to focus more energy on improving his SAT scores to get high 2200s maybe even 2300. When he took the ACT, it was intended to be a one time thing. His GC suggests he retake the ACT with writing and, depending on outcome, maybe should submit that as primary test.</p>

<p>I don't know why I have this in my head, but I feel that a strong SAT will resonate better with schools in the Northeast--it's just one of those things I am hung up on. Of course, we'd submit the good ACT score, but it would be w/out writing (with the writing being reflected in the SAT).</p>

<p>Now, we are wracking our brains out trying to schedule retakes for SAT and ACT this spring along w/ subject tests in June. So the question is, what should we do? Focus solely on SAT improvement or do both tests through next Fall? I am trying to avoid complete scheduling overkill this spring.</p>

<p>Thanks in advance for insight!</p>

<p>Personally I would try to get S to focus his energies on his grades. Still has 2 more quarters of Junior year, and 1 quarter of Senior year that will go into applications.</p>

<p>I think he is very close, does he have time to prep in before May SAT? It also depends on his SAT scores, does he max out on some sections?</p>

<p>RobD on the HS class of 2013 thread had a really good suggestion on this, which we are now going to follow. Her teen is taking he US History subject test in May so that she can coordinate it with studying for the APUSH exam. If your S is taking any AP classes, maybe he can do the same and do the subject tests in May and then the regular SAT in June. We switched our tests around to do this (initially had signed up for May SAT I) and are thinking about the ACT for the following week (in June). It’s a heavy load, but that is the story of junior year, right? And if your S has a few AP classes, things usually lighten up after the exam.</p>

<p>Thanks–that’s a given! The question was meant to address optimizing test-taking strategy which needs to be planned out for this spring/fall.</p>

<p>Dr. Google - he needs to improve on CR (700). Also, while he received a 750 on writing, the essay was only an 8–so should try to improve on that. He is doing more prep now, so I think May timing should work. Just making sure if I throw the June ACT and Subject tests in there, it won’t make him (everyone :slight_smile: miserable.</p>

<p>MomofNEA - I will look for the thread–thanks. We are juggling what you mention. His finals are first week of June, so definitely planning on doing the subject tests in June to correspond to the studying that will take place for those subjects. I agree about it being a crazy time, I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth adding the ACT in the mix.</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>I would just focus on Subject tests in June. He can retake if necessary in Fall 2012. Before getting the Jan SAT results, I would be happy if D2 received 750 on writing because that is her weakest subject. Luckily, she did better than I would have imagined. As far as the essay, I don’t know if it makes any difference. The key to scoring very high on the esay is to make it long so it doesn’t mean much. Make sure he reviewed some vocabularies. D2 improved CR by just reviewing DH1 & DH 2. All her English and AP Social Studies classes also helped. They forced her to read very quickly.</p>

<p>I think the ACT score is good enough to leave alone…
I would only take the SAT one more time, and you really need to look at all that is on your calendar to decide when is best to do that…
I agree with the poster who said focusing on grades (transcript) may be even more important.</p>

<p>My main point is I believe less is more. Several of the top tier schools want ALL your scores, and I think you make a stronger impression if you don’t take the test too many times.</p>

<p>Agree that he should take subject tests in May- they’re usually given the weekend after AP exams, so the material will be fresh, and he should do quite well on them, if he’s taking at least 2 AP classes. Students tend to forget material after the AP’s, and I know in our state (NY), the Regents final is way too easy for AP students, so they don’t study at all for that in June. I would have him take the SAT again in June, and if he does better than he did on the ACT, then he’s all done. If his 34 ACT score is still higher than his SAT score, hold off and have him take the ACT with writing in September or even October of his senior year. </p>

<p>If he’s not enrolled in a lot of AP’s, or if his June finals are just as tough as his AP’s, switch it and have him take the May SAT and June subject tests.</p>

<p>Congrats on your son’s great scores…they are both good enough as is. And he could go either way, really–just quit and send them both in is a legit option. But I would go for one more sitting of the ACT.</p>

<p>I would probably look at the categories on the ACT, and if one category was not a problem for him…I would go with retaking the ACT with writing. After doing the Red Book practice exams and looking at the answers as you go so he can get as test literate as possible. There is a chance the ACT is all he would need to send in. The ACT rewards hard work in test sittings and time management and comprehension of coursework more than the SAT. </p>

<p>Our experience for what it is worth for your consideration is as follows: Duke grad son had interchangable SATs and ACTs until he began to think he wanted to ace his SATIIs spring of Junior year. Perhaps his brain reached some new level of organization but I would say motivation suddenly peaked a little late…for no more reason than he wanted to impress a beloved teacher in one situation and in the other SATII tests he and a buddy got motivated and were comparing outcomes. All of a sudden performance went way up. Once he saw high scores on one hour tests his optimism grew that he could change the overall three hour test outcome.</p>

<p>October of his senior year he gained 200 points on the SAT itself. No tutors. Just self study on Sundays in his room. Not fun but he did it. So he left his ACT off his applications. He had 3 SATIIs over 750 earned in March, May and June of his junior year. No one in his HS at that time was bothering to take the SATIIs.</p>

<p>Engineering and quantitative majors should consider taking the SATII in Math level 2. The curve on the Level 2 is much kinder than the curve on the Level 1. There is a page at the college board where you can see the %s of how many students take each exam and what their mean is etc. Some subject tests are very self selected groups. People who take the Math Level 2 are aiming high and have completed a lot of HS math.</p>

<p>Among your SATIIs you need a clear-headed strategy on your son’s outlook on foreign language studies in college. A 3 might excuse you in some colleges from some foreign language classes if you don’t want to use up college hours that way but usually it takes an AP of 4. Some colleges do not compromise at all, some majors require extensive language mastery and certainly some jobs do. Some colleges surprisingly let you test out with SATIIs of 650. </p>

<p>There is no consistency so you will know by April 30 where he enrolls. Just pointing out that an SATII taken the first week of June after HS graduation is smart for some students after they study their newly selected college requirements. My second son does not have a great facility for languages. He squeezed out a 650 in June after graduation from HS and took alternative things for his college hours at Vandy. He had time for a double major and lots of extra curriculars.</p>

<p>Duke son started a new language and enjoyed the DAILY classes and homework because most language depts are cozy and homey and he went on a foreign study in this new language. Those classes were easier than his major and lightened up his life. As I said, he didn’t turn in an AP or an SATII in a language. But most students should! He booked an SATII on the June date after his HS graduation but we let him not show up and skip it. He has worked himself to death spring term senior year and was burned out. </p>

<p>Practice exams for SATIIs only take an hour and the exams are not like the AP exams they are already working hard on in early May. It is prob smart to do US History SATII the same month as the UPUSH AP exam. That is really tough spring of junior year. Everyone has obligations and is busy! Do not underestimate the help 2-3 SATIIs can offer. For one thing, they sharpen test taking smarts which is a skill you will have to have to survive in a top 30 college. There is no bottom quartile in your class, only the less prepared vs the well prepared. There are no points for doing homework and raising one’s hand. There are no do-overs or extra credit options. It is all papers tests and quizzes and the occasional oral presentation.</p>

<p>For many junior students, one SATII should be taken next month in the March setting if you aren’t doing the SAT. My opinion is that Subject tests should be taken one at a time. There is no point in taking it and not making a great score. If you want to cancel your scores that day, you have to cancel ALL the tests. I know a great student who felt she aced one of them and flubbed the other and had to cancel both. Depending on your city, you can take one in October or November next fall. Even in December. The key is to be prepared, and to rack up 2 or 3 of these.</p>

<p>Second son got bad guidance counseling in that he didn’t sign up for writing on the ACT and what a mistake that was. He aced the exam and didn’t miss a math question. Would have been nice to be done with it. He had taken the SAT twice with the identical scores with writing so he did send them all in even though the ACT was better. Personally, I think your son is already “there” and could do the same. His SATIIs and APs are nice things to aim for re doing well as well as his grades.</p>

<p>Adcoms are good at sorting this all out.</p>

<p>I think the challenge for parents of juniors is some oversight of time management and handling demands adults in school and in activities that have inflated expectations re taking up your child’s weekends. My sons liked down time and they got it. They worked from 7am till midnight most school days and sometimes they were overcommitted with activities. HS’s expect upperclassmen to be leaders and to always be there. </p>

<p>Nothing like my high school years where there was time to take on stupid menial jobs after school and time to drive to the beach and do nothing for hours. </p>

<p>good luck…hopefully your son will look at one year calendar and figure this out in a way that makes sense for his life.</p>

<p>The sat and act score are both equally acceptable to colleges if the college states that they are. I havent looked at the sat-act concordnace tables, but if the 2190 and 34 are considered the same, i would take another practice test of each at home under timed conditions (real tests from blue book and red book, on different days) score them and see if there is a difference again. Then work towards the one the might be higher or the one that S feels more comfortable with. And if S retakes the act, consider taking it with writing.</p>

<p>How much did he have to study to get those scores the first time?
Can you wait until sept to take the repeat SAT1?</p>

<p>And no, don’t study for both sat and act. Figure out which one he will do better on based on some practice tests, and then just study for the 1 test.</p>

<p>The SAT Subject tests are not offered in March, but agree with all other excellent advice above. </p>

<p>Does you son plan to apply ED or EA? If so, all testing must be complete by the Oct SAT date. He could use the May & June SAT dates for subject tests, take the SAT I one more time in Oct and if he really wanted to take the ACT with writing, use the Sept test date (first Sat after Labor Day usually, so lends itself to summer studying). </p>

<p>I am not saying that he needs to take ACT and SAT again as his scores are very impressive, but instead just suggesting a possible testing schedule. </p>

<p>Here is the chart someone referenced above. It shows the percentile ranks for each subject test:<a href=“http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/research/SAT-Subject-Tests-Percentile-Ranks-2012.pdf[/url]”>http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/research/SAT-Subject-Tests-Percentile-Ranks-2012.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Assuming I have backed into his math score correctly, it looks as though he has a 1440, which is the very bottom of the ACT’s 33, so I can see why his GC suggested he retake the ACT and complete the writing section this time. Again, I am not suggesting he retake both but understand why the GC has suggested the ACT.</p>

<p>Here is a concordance chart: [Compare</a> ACT and SAT Scores | ACT](<a href=“http://www.act.org/solutions/college-career-readiness/compare-act-sat/]Compare”>http://www.act.org/solutions/college-career-readiness/compare-act-sat/)</p>

<p>Good luck! He has excellent scores.</p>

<p>Hi Everyone,</p>

<p>Thanks to all for good insights.</p>

<p>Since I posted this one year ago, but started getting some recent activity, I thought I’d give an update.</p>

<p>So he did take the SAT one more time in Spring 2012 and scored 2300+. We were super proud of him and that scored helped back us his NMSF standing.</p>

<p>Also, he was admitted ED to Vandy, so we are still on cloud nine!</p>

<p>Again, thanks to all for weighing in with opinions.</p>

<p>Thanks for posting the follow up. It’s always nice to hear how things work out - especially when they work out so well. Congrats to your son!</p>

<p>Oh my, when will I look at dates properly?<br>
Congrats on your new Dore, Jdell21! He sure did a great job testing. Get your foreign language plan down if he is covetous of his hours and wants to spread his wings in more than one major etc.</p>