Helping my kids create their college list

Hi,

I’m the mom of 3 high school students, freshman, sophomore and senior. I’m curious to learn how your kids identified the schools they wanted to apply to?

Did the schools reach out to them?

Did they initiate the connections? If so, how? When they took their tests, through their websites, through campus visits?

Did they have a lot of contact with the schools they were interested in before applying?

We found our first experience with our senior to be more difficult than expected and I’m trying to learn the process to help the other kids have an easier time and find great schools for them. Fortunately for my senior, he is very happy with his choice but I am curious how others are doing this?

Thanks so much for your advice!

My two older kids were barely B students in high school, and totally overwhelmed at the idea of trying to find the right schools. I LOVE a project. So I’ll readily admit that I compiled the original lists for them, as well as the kids of some of my friends. Here’s how I approached it:

  1. We're in NY. So my first stop was the SUNY website, to find schools with their majors. (Originally Sports management for my son, switched to criminal justice. Originally marketing for my daughter, switched to communications.) For each of my kids, I included some NY Community Colleges with dorms; until a few years ago I had no idea that such things even existed. So both kids were guaranteed the opportunity to go away to school if they so chose, regardless of SAT or GPAs. I realize that this step is unnecessary for a lot of the kids on this site, but it was absolutely necessary for mine.
  2. I did some of the College Match searches online to find other schools within a few hour's radius that had their majors. I now had a pretty sizeable list for each kid.
  3. I made a chart in Word. School name, location, distance from here, price, 25th and 75th percentile SAT scores. I was able to find much of that info from collegenavigator.gov

Once we had that chart, we had a list of safeties, matches and reaches. That’s where they got involved, looking at school websites and deciding where to visit during Junior year. The essay was written the summer before Senior year, and apps went out early in the fall.

My youngest is a sophomore. I’m already working on her list, with her probable major (elementary ed) and some possible switches in mind (photography, graphic arts.) As of right now I have a list of 6 SUNYs that offer El Ed and Photography along with some sort of graphic arts major. Since she’ll want NY certification to teach, I’m not including a whole lot of schools right now that are out of state.

To be honest, the guidance counselor (the same one for all 3 of my kids) was pretty happy when we met for the “thinking about college” meeting. My kids aren’t her highest priority. They’re not applying for competitive schools, and they’re not on the other end of the spectrum to where they eat up a lot of her time with personal issues. My kids are the ones who would have fallen through the cracks. When we met, the kids showed her their list, and she added in one or two schools. But she saw they were on their way, and probably mentally crossed them off her list of kids to worry about.

I pretty much knew about a lot of the colleges my kids might like, and did look up websites. We avoided mailings entirely.

I like Loren Pope’s books: Colleges that Change Lives, which is also a website and they have national fairs. And a dated book that is still helpful, Pope’s “Beyond the Ivy League” (which has info on many many levels of schools).

Also check out https://www.fairtest.org/university/optional

For artsy kids, I liked a book entitled “Creative Colleges” which I found online.

The larger review books like Princeton and Fiske have their place but only after you have some ideas.

Figure out basic criteria like cost, size, location, academics, and the visiting to get the “vibe” worked best for us. We started in an area with a large public, a small LAC, and an alternative artsy college to show the kinds of options even though none of my kids applied to those specific schools.

I think visits are crucial and we used them to keep the applications down to 4-6. Terribly old-fashioned! Sometimes a visit that means a kid doesn’t like a place is as useful as visits to places they do like.

My son’s list started through places I knew, me talking to people in my son’s field of interest, guidance counselor suggestions, the search function on Niche, and the various ranking lists. Then, we started running the scattergrams on Naviance. I’ve decided to be more involved at an earlier date with my daughter’s search. The college landscape is complicated and junior year is tough with all the APs. I think giving your child a list to start looking at over the summer is really helpful.

My son did give criteria based on questions provided by his guidance counselor. This was just the basics of what size campus and what size town. Another complicating factor for my son was indecision about engineering versus computer science. At most universities you need to apply to the college of engineering.

Even schools with dedicated college guidance counselor often do not provide the level of individual attention necessary to pull together costs, aid, merit, academics, and finally the myriad of deadlines.

I had S get somewhat specific about preferences:

Geography
Size
Setting
Major
Sports Scene / Spirit
Academic rigor
Where he might want to live later in life

We live in FL and have wanted him to experience another part of the country (he did too).

From there I looked at a lot of the rankings, and although I wouldn’t make a decision based on that, certain names appear on virtually all of them. We figured that was a good place to start. Then we set out a plan to visit several and visit peer schools that were in the same region while we were close by. I will admit that particular summer college visits replaced are usual family vacations. We still made them fun and tried to fit in cool stuff (for the other kid - and for us frankly). We did things like visit the Carolina schools for a few days prior to a week in the Carolina mountains. Two day side trip to DC while visiting schools in VA. Red Sox game and nice meal in the north end while seeing schools in Boston. I realize we’re fortunate in that I could take the time and have the financial resources to make the trips. It was actually pretty fun. I’m glad we did because there were some schools that on paper made sense but in person S had zero interest.

Word to the wise on high match / low reach. Admission is really a crap shoot so you’ll want to have at least a few that they’ll happily attend. Avoid the dream school syndrome as it can be very disheartening to wait for months and get a “no”.

Good luck and try to destress the process as much as possible.

In compiling your list of reaches, matches and safeties you will need up to date information. Many schools that were a match a generation ago are a reach today. Many safeties are matches or even reaches today. If a college gets the impression that they are being used as a safety it could result in a rejection or at least a wait listing.

Also some guidance counselors may not be a good source of advice on this, even for some local colleges. Instead look at Naviance, the Common Data Set for each college and the decision threads here on CC for each college.

No…colleges did not “reach out” to our kids. We did get tons of junk mail…but I don’t count that “reaching out”. That’s marketing.

We were fortunate to be able to visit colleges both while looking and after acceptances. One of our kids was a music major so he went an additional time for an audition.

I’m curious what connections you are inquiring about? And what “tests” through the websites.

Our kids did go on campus visits, went to info sessions and tours, and attended accepted student days for their top three choices.

Both kids took trial instrument lessons with instructors at each college to which they applied. The kids did initiate these contacts.

A lot? Well…they visited. And both had contacted the music folks at the colleges before applying. What do you mean by “a lot” of contact?

Kid 1…the music major…he spoke a lot with his private music teachers to identify programs suitable for him. We visited, he had lessons, and he applied.

Kid 2 was an engineering major. She looked for colleges out of our geographic area.

First step with both kids was that we wanted to hear their options and agree with them before applications. I think everyone should do this. Finances also need to be clear to the kids. Any restrictions need to be clear to the kids.

In addition to the books suggested above, get a copy of “Paying for College Without Going Broke”. Some info is outdated, but it’s a good read.

If your family has financial limitations, please please let your kids know that up front.

Wow thank you for this. Supper informative and helpful. This is all fantastic feedback and exactly what I’m trying to figure out for the next two. I think the first time around we created a more stressful environment than necessary and I’d like to streamline it next time around.

I find the process so overwhelming compared to when I went to school back in the '90’s! Choice is great but it is hard to filter out the options to find the best ones for each kid.

@thumper1 as for a lot of communication, I was wondering how important the on campus interviews, and something I’ve read about “demonstrated interest” are in the acceptance process. I know the schools send emails to the kids and I’ve heard some measure if they open the emails and/or click on the links.

For the tests, I know when they take the SAT’s and ACT’s they can share scores so schools can contact them. I have heard different opinions about if people choose to opt in for that or not.

I love the parent support group and really appreciate everyone giving me a helping hand! Good luck to all of your kids! :slight_smile:

For our son the search was a little different. He has very specific ideas about what he wanted. He wanted a land grant university with a vet school and an animal science department. He didn’t care about rank or prestige.

So we started with a list of the veterinary colleges in the US. That narrowed us down to 26 schools. Then we looked at financial aspects and where his grades and scores fit in. That ruled out a few more.

Next we went to the local college fair. HUGE one. There he visited the schools that were left on his list and ruled out a couple more and moved up a few. It was there we learned about early admit programs. We researched those. He then visited the websites and picked about 6 to visit.

We visited those 6 and he ruled out one and applied to the other 5. He was accepted at all of those and then he narrowed it down to 3. One of those he finally crossed off. After another visit to one and acceptance in their program and very good merit scholarships and acceptance into their honors college we were done.

For daughter it was look in state only. Look for what schools had her major and what schools would accept her less than stellar grades. Look at CTCL schools. Visited two schools. Then she chose not to apply to any accept one school, got a scholarship and then chose not to go to college at all. Still floundering. Sigh. Two CC classes under her belt and trying to get her to take one this summer.

Wouldn’t the number one task for the parents be doing the financial planning in order to set the budget limits and informing the student of such limits before the application list is made?

@ucbalumnus I know that, in my case at least, that was part of the initial screening. If we couldn’t afford the price, it came off the list immediately. Likewise if the SAT scores were crazy out of line with my child’s.

The admissions landscape has changed so much over the past decades that most parents who are now starting in the college application process would find it rather foreign. The following book, in my opinion, is a good introduction to the whole gamut of the application process: “College Admission: From Application to Acceptance, Step by Step,” by Robin Mamlet and Christine Vandevelde. Keep in mind, though, that things do continuously change in the admissions landscape, so being vigilant about what’s current is of utmost importance. CC is a great place to join for that reason alone.

Unless your kids are prospective athletes for college recruitment, you aren’t going to see any colleges being interested in your kids enough to reach out, other than some junk mail. You’d have to do all the work, in other words. Many parents hire a college consultant if they don’t want to deal with the daunting task that includes the issues of how to finance the cost of college attendance. I was a stay-home dad, so I did all the work.

One thing that I consider most important in the admissions journey is knowing where your child’s academic and extracurricular activities and interests stand, as well as propensities, preferences, etc. that all amount to “fit.” The task of the parent is to be a “match-maker” between the child and the college (AND your ability to finance the child’s education).

It is very important to discuss what your financial limits are with your child before the application process gets started, so that there’s no potential conflicts, disappointments, misunderstandings and disillusionment down the road. It’s a terrible situation to be in for the child to learn that he/she has been admitted to the dream college only to realize that the parents can’t (or won’t) afford the cost.

In the college selection process, it’s all about the filtering process given the criteria of the aforementioned “fit” factor. One of the most important criteria for us, for example, was the undergrad-focused college environment, so we searched for those colleges based on teacher-to-student ratio, undergrad vs. grad student population, pedagogical philosophy, endowment per student, TA vs. faculty taught, etc. We then narrowed down to those colleges that were good matches, too, based on my child’s GPA, SAT/ACT scores.

Since my child was also a musician who was very interested in continuing to pursue music in college, that also became one of the criteria in the filtering process, i.e., colleges with orchestra and other ensemble, concert venue, performance faculty and other programs and resources.

Other criteria were geographic location, crime, campus political environment, dormitories, clubs, social scenes, etc.

After the filtering process, it’s critical to come up with a list of reach, match and safety colleges. What we’d have considered “safety” a couple of decades ago may no longer be “safety,” however. Likewise with “match,” so consider them very carefully.

Visit as many colleges on the list as you can since getting that “feel” is also very important and can play a critical role in one’s decision making. Should any representatives from these colleges happen to visit your area, be sure to attend the presentations and ask questions. Be fully aware, too, that you may end up a CC-addict like so many parents have, including myself. Pretty soon, we’ll be talking about our grandkids’ college admissions processes.

This will come as no surprise to anyone that has read my other posts.

For both of my kids, there college search was driven by having them read “Colleges That Change Lives” and pick out some that looked interesting. For D2 we added schools from “8 of the best colleges” group.

My D1 loved to shop, and spent hours perusing our Fiske Guide. We found her school in Fiske - had an extra day on a college swing in the area, and I thought she needed a safety - so we visited. She liked it a lot, and after acceptance with good merit aid, she decided to turn down some higher ranked schools and attend. It worked out great.

D2 hates to shop. ? She asked if I would id schools and talk her through the list. So I went through Fiske and flagged a bunch of schools. We visited the ones she picked, and a couple others I added. One I’d heard about initially from an older kid’s parent at her HS, which I asked her to keep
on her application list. She got in everyplace she applied, and ended up picking and loving the “mom’s choice” on her list.

We were aggressive visitors, which helped the decision process. By that, I mean we visited a lot of schools, and did more than tour. Kids sat in on classes, ate in the cafeteria, and wandered through buildings & areas not covered by the tour. We wove visits in with other trips and vacations.

We hired a counselor for kid #1. She spent 3 hours just with our daughter going asking her questions about her preferences for urban, rural, campus size, majors, extracurriculars, how competitive, how intellectual, etc plus she had our input on the money piece and our daughter’s stats. At the end of that we were all given a list of around 25 schools to go look at more closely. This was in January of her junior year. I had her narrow it down a bit and took her to visit 8 of those schools over the spring break of junior year (it wasn’t just the top 8, more like the 8 that we could fit in together because they made sense geographically, but her case was a bit easy since she wanted to stay on the west coast). I also found College Confidential around that time and was mostly a lurker that first year but between following her path that year and then several of my other friends’ kids over the next couple of years, plus lurking here for a couple more years, I had a much more solid sense of what was out there by a year ago when I started thinking more seriously for kid #2.

So for kid #2 I came up with a top 25-ish list about a year ago (near the end of 10th grade). Then I posted it here and got a few more suggestions. Then in the fall of junior year I forced her to spend 20-30 minutes each weekend reading about a few of them in the Fiske Guide and kind of giving me a yes, no, or maybe. Oh we also toured 3 schools last summer when we were on vacation so she had a bit of an idea how the description in the book looked in the real world (oh, that one sounds a lot like Tufts. I really liked Tufts… etc). And then… I’m such a task-master… I also bought the Princeton Guide (our Fiske Guide was from when my oldest was looking so slightly out of date so rather than buy a newer one of those I got the other one) and made her come up with some sort of ranking system based on reading the Princeton Guide descriptions - mostly to get a priority list for visiting since her schools are scattered all over the US unlike my oldest’s. We went and saw a couple of schools on a long weekend in February and another 5 over spring break. She now has a top 2 and another 3 or 4 she likes and I’m trying now to decide if I’m cool with early decision and if I want her to go see more schools first and if so, when. Plus also, if ED doesn’t work how many applications to do to the places she hasn’t visited… but we don’t need to know those yet. Also she will be working with someone on the essays who can help us with those questions.

Kid #3 is a current freshman and thinking engineering which would put him in a mostly different group of schools than the other 2 (other than the UCs and some of their bigger schools… oldest ended up at a small LAC and middle is leaning that way although has looked at some larger schools). So we will end up reinventing the wheel again in a couple of years ;-).

@intparent makes some very good points. Visiting is fine but “aggressive visiting” is a great tool to get a much better picture. After awhile all the regular info sessions and tours look alike. Try to set up meetings with department heads or at least professors within your kid’s areas of interest. Spend time speaking with students. Do the usual tours but also walk around yourself. If you have friends with kids at the school, take them out to lunch and get their take. (We did this at a very academic / intellectual type school hoping it would lend itself to more social settings but the senior we visited confirmed what you hear - of course that’s anecdotal - and it was a turnoff for S who was looking for academics but in a more spirited environment with sports,etc. This lovely senior told us few attend sporting events unless they’re family or friends of the athletes, more kids in the library than the football stadium, etc.)

We took the summer before junior year to start doing some college visits. We had no idea what kind of environment DD would like so we tried to expose her to at least one big pubic flagship, a small LAC, a private research based school, an urban school, and a rural school. Thankfully there were lots of schools to visit that were within a drive.

We created a spread sheet with everything from costs to rankings for her major to acceptance rates to student teacher ratios and everything in between. After each college visit, DD would keep a pros/cons list (that helped tremendously when writing the “why us” essays.

We also had one rolling admission safety on the list. Worth it’s weight in emotional gold to have an early acceptance in hand in early October.

Couple of things we learned along the way:

  • Don’t trust Naviance for schools that admit by major. Many schools have much lower acceptance rates for certain majors.
  • Look at the common data sets to see what schools value most in the application. That will also tell you if demonstrated interest is considered.
  • Spend more time focusing on the safety and match schools. The likelihood of getting into the reach schools are slim so having super exciting match and safeties is crucial.
  • Don't underestimate the time it takes for applications. My DD applied to 8 schools and wrote 19 essays. Start writing early. The common essay prompts release early so they can be written the spring of junior year. The college specific prompts in August. If you have a high achieving kid, they will have more essays to write for honors college invites that come after applications are submitted.
  • Mail from colleges is junk mail. Don't read anything into who is sending snail mail and emails. That's not a good way to create your list.

Don’t all colleges “change lives”? If your want a small liberal arts college that most people have not heard of this book might be a fine start but certainly is not for most students looking for the quintessential college experience.

To the OP, someone mentioned cost as the most important. Have a budget in mind before looking at colleges. Next make a list of colleges that have your child’s intended major. Do they want a large public university, medium size or small LAC experience? Does the college have good alumni network, internships, undergrad research, and probably most importantly good job prospects or good grad school acceptance % after college?

In addition to the above, for D20, she is currently looking at colleges with great school spirit and sports, with some with a flexible schedule the first two years of undergrad. Location, culture, possible merit and weather all play a factor for us.

I’ll second others that say look at your HS Naviance to see where fellow classmates have applied and been accepted. For example, Tulane gets lots of applications from our Los Angeles HS and wasn’t even on our radar but now it is. Also, look at your in-state options.

Other resources, CC of course, Niche especially the student reviews, CDS is a must, talk to other families, especially ones with a few older kids who have gone through the process, talk to and get to know your HS counselor and/or higher an outside consultant if affordable, read Fiske, Barrons, and Princeton review guides. After awhile you will start getting a real feel for each college.

Lastly, once you have narrowed down the list, if affordable, visit the colleges when in session and feel free to ask lots of questions. My D got the email address of every tour guide we had and will ask questions of them to get insight when writing the important “Why X college”.

The more information you have the better to make an informed decision.

The process can be fun believe it or not…

I despise that “colleges that change lives” book’s premise. As above- ALL colleges change lives and my glances at the colleges listed were so far down on acceptability for us- there are tons more with better academics et al. Especially for gifted kids.

Your searching depends on the state you live in. Some states, think Midwest, have many excellent public options for gifted to ordinary college students. Others do not have as many spots for the population of the state and they have not tried to foster good public college education- think Northeast.

Your searching then depends on the academic caliber of your kid. That’s where knowing how your kid does on tests, rigor of classes and grades plus… If in the top tier you could look at dream possibilities, your flagship and others. Consider the likelihood of scholarship money- top tier kids may have chances at some.

You then need to look realistically at family finances. College costs are more than tuition and fees, room and board and books. Travel costs. Social costs (going Greek?). Travel. You NEVER dip into retirement savings.

Again, back to the second paragraph. Where you look really, really depends on your location, regardless of your kid’s ability. From Wisconsin with a gifted kid we nixed so, so many people on CC would consider as they couldn’t beat UW’s academics (remember honors programs). It is tough for people on the east coast with so many smaller schools that can’t take the thousands a flagship can. They have to look at so many more schools that are likely better than their flagship- or not. I’ll bet most gifted kids do end up at their flagship U in honors.

Addenda. Do not base your search on info sent from schools based on test scores. Kids can check boxes that allow schools to send info- a good thing. But, that does not mean even a high scorer has a chance. It may mean schools not yet on the radar but appropriate for your kid will be discovered. You also will be filling your recycling bin far more often than in the past.