High schools getting rid of F's. Your opinion?

<p>Failure</a> is impossible for high school students! (No, really) on Shine</p>

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What would school have been like if you never had to worry about getting an F? Students at West Potomac High School in Alexandria, Va., are about to find out, the Washington Post reports.</p>

<p>Earlier this year, the school all but eradicated the standard mark for “failure”, instead supplying wayward students with the letter “I” for incomplete. So what does an “I” give you that an “F” doesn’t? Time to redeem yourself, for starters. Students with an “I” on their report card can (literally) learn their lesson and catch up over the year, at which point they will be given a grade for their mastery of the material, just like any other student.</p>

<p>So is this an inspired move to get those marginal students on track and learning, or just another way in which we’re coddling underachieving kids and hobbling the rest? Parents, educators and students are divided.</p>

<p>Mary Mathewson, an English teacher at Potomac High tells the Post that the new standard not only cripples teachers in that it "takes away one of the very few tools [they] have to get kids to learn," but it gives them “an out,” resulting in a system in which “kids are under the impression they can do it whenever they want to, and it's not that big of a deal.”</p>

<p>Pointing out that the A-F grading system has not been thrown out entirely, but rather, redesigned to reach those who might not learn at the same rate as their peers, Fairfax County’s assistant superintendent for instructional services asked the Post, “"If we really want students to know and do the work, why would we give them an F and move on? I think the students who are struggling should not be penalized for not learning at the same rate as their peers."</p>

<p>Alternative grading is nothing new: Potomac High joins good company—some of the nation's highest educational institutions, including the law schools of Stanford University, Yale University, and University of California, Berkeley all employ non-traditional grading systems. Other high schools like the Big Picture high schools in Rhode Island, which focuses on internships, have found that learning goes better when uncomplicated by grades. The measure of their success? Improvement in their standardized achievement scores, most of their seniors going to college, and high college graduation rates. Proponents of this kind of grading method have long argued that letters are arbitrary, overly focused on the right answer instead of the thinking behind it, and have no corollary relationship from school to school—in other words, not “fair” from the get-go. </p>

<p>But will the process of learning for the sake of learning be lost on notoriously gratification-minded high school kids? And what about the value of learning from losing in the first place?</p>

<p>“Americans tend to frame things in terms of contests and wars that must be won or lost," writer John Schwartz says in his New York Times essay, "Lessons Learned in the Losing." "Many challenges, however, are about hanging in there and managing a bad situation. Losing prepares you for the slog that is life. The world doesn’t give us many finish lines, but it does give us the long run.”
While his focus is on high school sports rather than grades, I can't help but think Schwartz has an excellent point here about teaching our children to persevere in the face of challenges, even if it's hard to watch. After all, what are we trying to prepare our kids for in school, if not life?

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<p>I find so many things wrong with this. You truly have to be apathetic to outright fail a high school class. This is why the US is behind so many foreign countries when it comes to education. Constantly lowering the bar.</p>

<p>I see this as a good thing. Everyone deserves a second chance. This is basically like summer school, but I’m guessing the failed grade won’t show on the transcript. I’m kinda for this, but this may cause some kids to not put much effort because they can never fail.</p>

<p>“I think the students who are struggling should not be penalized for not learning at the same rate as their peers.”</p>

<p>From my experience, people who “earn” F’s do so because they do not study or do their work. If they do not learn as quick, maybe they should be in a slower paced class.</p>

<p>[sarcasm]Wow, how progressive![/sarcasm]</p>

<p>…This is stupid…Taking away the F is not fair to the A-D students. D is just as bad…If they earned the grade they need to receive it, if they cared enough to change it they’ll go to summer school or learn to be on task! America is showing these kids that if they slack of getting back up will be easier and we all know it is not that easy! How is this going to prepare them for college? Either you get a good grade or you don’t. Poor kids…how would “I” look if they plan to go out of state so UC’s, they have a grade system that needs to match and I don’t see no "I’s there…waste of education…we are a country of capitallism not communism. You have to compete in society…yes theres second chances but not that leniant and easy.</p>

<p>Very stupid move to coddle very stupid kids. But alas, this is what I have come to expect of our country…</p>

<p>Too long, didn’t read. D would become the new F.</p>

<p>I had a hard time with this because, from what I have seen, students who a genuinely struggling and having a difficult time are working hard, they just don’t grasp it, and teachers are willing to take that into account. These students are the C’s and D’s, which aren’t exactly good but not bad for some students either. The students who get the F’s, generally, are the ones not trying. I think a different system needs to be set in place from them. And for the kids that are struggling and getting D’s, why not put them in a study hall or get them extra help? Why punish the rest of the students and teachers?</p>

<p>I like the way my school does it currently. If you want to take a class over again, then it can be expunged from your transcript and the new grade will show. However, if you fail a class and don’t care enough to retake it, you WILL get a F on your transcript. This is the only fair system in my opinion.</p>

<p>I wish my school had that kind of system^^
I don’t think I would’ve retaken a class, but nonetheless I think it’s a great option.</p>

<p>Wait, how is this bad in theory? I’m under the impression (I didn’t really read it) that an ‘I’ would still be the same as an ‘F’ to other people in admissions and things like that. The “Incomplete” is basically just mandatory additional schooling until the student gets caught up. That way, the student actually learns the material instead of just failing and not doing anything about it. I’m assuming that if the student doesn’t bother learning it, then the ‘I’ will be equivalent to not earning that credit, which is exactly the same rationale behind failing. </p>

<p>Unless you’re of the opinion that letter grades are more important than knowledge gained, this makes a good deal of sense. It would only affect the few at the very bottom, and seeing as how most schools are already stratified by perceived intelligence, it won’t really affect anyone but those on the bottom rung. The only real argument you can make against this is that these students wouldn’t be worth the additional resources to educate them beyond the normal curriculum.</p>

<p>I’m not sure how this works logistically. How do they decide what grade you receive instead of the I?</p>

<p>In my district, in non-honors/AP courses you can retake a course at a later date and they will completely replace whatever grade you got the first time, no questions asked. At least for graduation requirements.</p>

<p>IMO, that solves for the problem of people dropping out because of F’s in a much simpler fashion that actually guarantees they learn at least some of the material.</p>

<p>F means Fail. If you get 60% in the class overall, you FAILED it. Its that simple.</p>

<p>How come if kids can bring an F up, we can’t bring out Bs up!? Most kids who make Fs make them because they’re lazy, not because they don’t have the mental capacity. So why give lazy people a second chance and an extended time to bring up their grades and not give kids who are actually struggling the same opportunity. This is ridiculous! You have to have a learning disorder to try your hardest and still make an F… in regular classes you do anyways. This rewards laziness. If they don’t want to fail, they should have to work as hard as the rest of us.</p>

<p>^ lol, B is struggling?</p>

<p>^ It is for some people lol. I just figure if you normally make "A"s then it’s considered struggling to make a “B”. Just like if you were accustomed to "B"s and brought home a “C” it would be considered struggling. I think any grade below what a person is personally accustomed to is struggling. Kind of like the boiling point of farenhiet and celcius are different because they’re different scales. People’s struggling points are different because they have different minds. I didn’t mean for it to sound like I meant a “B” was struggling for anyone, because it’s not. Just me lol</p>