High stats applicant learns lessons the hard way.

From 10th grade on, I was invested in the college search process. I spent hours looking up and predicting my chances, discovering what I could do to make myself a stellar applicant, etc. And instead of building my list from the ground up, I started with the biggest brand name schools. My first college tour was Duke, in something like 9th grade. I went with my sister, who was a junior at the time and actually in the process. I loved the campus, the people, and the facilities available. And in the South to boot! Everything about it was great, although looking back I wonder how much of that was just it being my first time on a real campus. During that trip, we visited Davidson, which I didn’t like, and also Wake Forest and Georgetown, which I forget about.

Other top schools quickly crept into my list. Pretty soon it was just a rewrite of the USNWR Top 20, with two or three safeties thrown in “just in case”. Even though I am full pay, I figured I would be able to go to a top school if I got in. The only question, in my mind, was where that would be.

This was the first place where I went wrong. It’s easy to build a list of reaches because they’re so desirable. And it’s fun to ask yourself, “Well, if I got into Harvard and Yale, where would I go?” But looking back it was all wasted time that I could’ve spent actually making myself a top candidate for merit scholarships. What inevitably happens with these lists is that the safety schools are not properly vetted for true fit, and when the reaches collapse you’re left with two options: massive debt or a “crap” school.

My own college search started in December of last year with a trip to Washington University and Vanderbilt, because they had some merit money available. The city of St. Louis and the school itself were so horrible – graffiti everywhere, a sense of disrepair even in good sections, the piercing wind, no school spirit – that I didn’t even finish the campus tour. The school was very clearly not for me. I got on the plane to Nashville with low expectations, thinking that maybe my own hype had gotten me. When I arrived at Vanderbilt, though, I felt an energetic campus that I could easily be a part of. Even in mid-December it was beautiful and mild. Nashville was equally vibrant and clean. My mom and I left equally excited about the school. I thought that I would definitely go if given their full tuition scholarship.

In the ensuing months my list would fluctuate wildly. Some weeks I would talk to my mom and she would convince me of the benefits of taking a scholarship offer. Ivies would drop like flies from my list and schools like Emory, Northeastern, and Miami would creep onto it. Then I would whip back in a panic, thinking that only a top school would do, and suddenly there were 6 Ivies and 3 other top schools on my list. At the same time, my constant preoccupation with the future was inhibiting my ability to perform in the moment. My grades slipped – only a bit, but still – and all the impressive projects I had planned never got off the drawing table.

As summer ended and senior year started, I was in a more fearful place. Now I thought I wouldn’t get into the top school, wouldn’t get any of the prestigious merit (at UVa, Vandy, Emory, or the like). At the end of August, this was my list:

Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia, Duke, Vanderbilt, University of Virginia, University of North Carolina: Chapel Hill, Davidson, University of Southern California, Emory, Fordham, Penn State: University Park, Tulane

As you can see, it’s still loaded with full price reaches and schools with slim chances of merit aid.

The trend over fall was a reality check. My mom said she could pay $25k and my dad said he could do about the same (they’re separated). But my mom didn’t trust my dad to pay anything and encouraged me to make a list without an expectation that that money would be there. She also had me cut my list to a manageable number of applications because she didn’t want to have to tell me no come April, and she told me that she didn’t want me in California. It was a forceful conversation but I walked out of it with a changed list. I dropped all the elite schools, except for Princeton. As the cheapest Ivy and the closest to my house, it was the only <em>maybe</em> affordable option. It became my token elite school.

I visited Tulane and Fordham and like them both (Tulane more so than Fordham, though). Davidson was back after a surprising revisit proved me wrong on all counts. By November 15th I applied to Tulane, Miami, Alabama, and Fordham. Alabama accepted me with their full tuition scholarship and I started to consider it in the back of my mind. Yesterday, Fordham accepted me, and now I’m thinking about that too.

Some schools found their way off my list. I missed the UNC deadline for merit, so that was off. Then I missed an interview for U of Southern California and figured that was as good a reason to cut it as any. Emory’s merit date came and went because I was indecisive about if I liked it enough to pay the $80 fee.

Now, at the end of December, I still have no clue where I’ll be, but I know I’ll have good options. This is my current list:

<ol>
<li> Princeton</li>
<li> Davidson</li>
<li> Vanderbilt</li>
<li> Rice</li>
<li> University of Virginia</li>
<li> Washington and Lee</li>
<li> University of Richmond</li>
<li> Tulane - Submitted</li>
<li> University of Miami - Submitted</li>
<li>University of Georgia</li>
<li>Fordham - Accepted</li>
<li>University of Pittsburgh</li>
<li>Northeastern</li>
<li>University of Alabama – Accepted</li>
</ol>

Now, I’m not going to end up applying to all these schools. I estimate I’ll end up applying to 12, maybe fewer. Rice, Richmond, Pitt, and Northeastern are all on the chopping block.

This post is getting long, so I’ll end it here for now. But if there’s one thing I want to tell people who are like me, it’s to find safeties. You can lie to yourself all you want about making the money work and I can’t stop you. But do yourself a favor and find a school - you can think it’s “beneath you”, that’s fine and will pass - that you’ll be happy at, which fits your goals, and where you can get excited. Apply to it early - acceptance letters, even ones you expected, can make you think seriously about a school you dismissed earlier.

I will update this post as my story continues.

Until May,
StagNation

Interesting story. I’m interested to see how it’ll end. Good luck!

Me too:-) My son started at the top and worked down, but he did think of a few safeties both academically and financially. Best of luck!

An Update: I got into Tulane, bringing me to 3/11. I’m waiting for the official letter to arrive so I know how much merit money I got … I’m very nervous.

Today I received notice that I got into the Fordham Honors Program. They only admit 40 students to it, so it is very tempting. I am still waiting on whether I got their full ride scholarship, which will bring the cost to less than 5k a year. If I get it, it will be hard to say no to Fordham (despite how much I am starting to love New Orleans :().

This is my college list now:

Tulane
University of Pittsburgh
University of Miami
Northeastern
Case Western Reserve University
Fordham
Penn State & Schreyer Honors College
University of Alabama
Clemson

It’s a very good situation that I’m in, but kind of depressing. I have so many good options that I don’t know what to pick. How do you decide where to go from here?

@StagNation‌ I’m in the same boat as you, regarding having many good schools. It’s a good problem to have :slight_smile:

Make sure that you attend accepted student events, and talk with professors at each school. Don’t worry about your decision right now, that’ll just drive you crazy (it would definitely drive me crazy). Good job on Fordham Honors and Tulane. You’ll do great wherever you go. Just see which school you will be happiest at once all of the decisions come back.

Fordham is a great school! Which campus did you get into? I considered applying as well.

Hmmm… I wouldn’t say you learned the hard way. When I read this title, I thought it meant you were a 4.0 GPA students with a 2300 on the SAT who applied to HYPSM and a community college and only got into the community college lol

Updates so far:

<ul>
<li>I forget to mention it here, but I got the 32k scholarship at Tulane. Their full tuition (48k, a big difference) comes out in late February.</li>
<li>Pitt accepted me, letter with $$$ on the way hopefully.</li>
<li>My dad may or may not have money to pay for my college, as my mom predicted months ago. I made my list to account for that so I’m not feeling any heat.</li>
</ul>

This is my list now:

Tulane
University of Miami
University of Pittsburgh
Northeastern
Case Western Reserve
Fordham
University of Alabama
Clemson

I’m pretty much done now, just have to wait for results and tell you guys where I go!

@CaliCash‌ Haha you’re right, I did get out lucky. At least I didn’t apply to all those schools and find out I don’t have the money to pay for them.

I commend you on your approach to finding the right fit for you and your family! Excellent post!

@StagNation…I think you have followed a very prudent course…and I don’t think you have waited too late to “figure it all out”. I think it is a very complex process for teenagers and families to sort out…and at the end of the day, you’re clearly going to have several excellent choices with good financial fits. So then you’ll be able to have fun teasing out the best social and academic fit among your acceptances…this will indeed be a very fine place to be sitting come March & April. At this point, try to sit back and enjoy the ride.

Your experience mirrors very much that of my son’s last fall (as well as that of a number of other families we know). We visited over 20 schools and, in hindsight somewhat foolishly, gave too much early emphasis to the heavyweights. In the end, his list was very similar and when the dust settled, ended up at Tulane with one of the DHS scholarships. Good Luck and keep up the good job!

@vandyeyes‌ Thanks! If I get one of Tulane’s tuition awards you can bet I’ll be down there too!

I applied to Miami EA. Do you know when the decision with the awards will come out?

@CaliCash‌ I think the awards up to 30k come out with admission results. Invites for Singer come a little later, the weekend is in March, and the awards for that go out shortly after. I’m not certain about that though. Do you know why Miami takes so long to get back to EA people?

A lot of the prestigious private institutions you listed can afford to provide students with financial aid, which is a great asset to families that have difficulty paying for college. Oftentimes, the financial aid provided makes it cheaper to attend the more expensive private schools for less than what the family would pay at schools that award merit aid.

@dreaming123 That is true. I don’t think I ever denied that? It’s just that I don’t qualify for it personally.

FA aside, students shooting for top schools should keep their wits about them when it comes to their expectations. Elite schools are a fantastic, affordable resource for many but a kid who expects to get into them has a big storm coming, regardless of if he will pay 5 thousand or 50.

I’m sorry if it came off as if I was telling all students to take merit aid. Certainly not my intention! If you can afford Yale, go to Yale, but if you can’t don’t be discouraged :slight_smile:

Just out of curiosity sake, is the list you posted above the same as your preferred rank order ?

For the OP, I just want to commend you on a great thread. I wish more students had the same attitude. Many students I encounter somehow think magically money will appear and then I get the call from them in April that they have no affordable option for college. Both of my children knew we did not qualify for aid for certain schools like the ivies so they did not bother to apply there, why be disappointed. They did a lot of research and found a list similar to yours, and were/are very happy students at their colleges. Good luck to you in the rest of your journey.

@sgopal2‌ That list is outdated. Here is the list of schools I applied to, more or less in order of how likely it is I’ll attend:

  1. Tulane
  2. University of Miami
  3. Fordham
  4. University of Alabama
  5. University of Central Florida
  6. Northeastern
  7. Clemson
  8. University of Pittsburgh
  9. Case Western Reserve University

A lot has happened since I last posted. I was accepted to Northeastern RD with the Dean’s Scholarship ($22k/year). If I make them my first choice for National Merit they will bump it to 30k. Their Honors program is nice but I was hoping for University Scholars and so I don’t think I’ll be attending. Pitt gave me 10k, I think because I applied so late. I will appeal the decision but Pitt is probably out, too.

Here are the decisions/merit awards as of Feb 12:

Tulane - Presidential Scholarship ($32,000/year). Their full tuition scholarships come out in two weeks ($48k).

University of Miami - President’s Scholarship ($26,000/year). Their full tuition scholarship comes out in mid-March and I will be attending the Feb 27-28 scholarship weekend.

Fordham - National Merit Semifinalist Scholarship ($45,000/year). Full ride comes out on April 1st.

University of Alabama - NMSF Scholarship ($25,000/year, and $9k for room first year).

University of Central Florida - NMSF Full Ride ($36,000/year)

Northeastern - Dean’s Scholarship ($22,000/year)

Clemson - OOS Tuition Waiver ($15,000/year)

University of Pittsburgh - $10,000/year

Case Western Reserve - no decision yet. They are my last school but I’m already pretty sure I’m not going.