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<p>I just also edited it... They have the site in frames, I didn't realise that and copied the main url instead of the frame url... sue me. If you notice, no matter what link you click, the url in the search bar remains the same - hence my initial mistake. <a href="http://www.nyu.edu/eo/AAPolicy.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nyu.edu/eo/AAPolicy.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Also, if you had been paying attention, you'd have noticed that the quote I posted is nowhere on the equal opportunity page... That should have told you something there. </p>

<p>The quote is at the bottom of AA Policy.</p>

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<p>what if someone is half asian and half hispanic?</p>

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<p>Again that quote doesn't mean anything. It only says that NYU will follow the law (whatever the law may be), it doesn't mean that AA in private universities is the law--that's not a leap of logic that one can make, unless of course you're ready to cite me precedent from the Supreme Court that says private schools have to follow affirmative action in the sense of admitting URM ethnicities with SATs that are sometimes 200 points below the norm. </p>

<p>In fact, if you follow recent legal developments, the opposite is happening these days: AA is becoming more "legal" in private schools than state schools because of the way the Supreme Court is interpreting the 14th amendment's equal protection clause and other federal laws. Basically, schools like NYU and Columbia will be more able to give racial preferences whereas schools like UMich and the UCs won't.</p>

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<p>Whatever, I'm getting sick of dealing with you now. You are either very ignorant or very stubborn, either way neither are a virtue. </p>

<p>You have yet to cite anything that proves AA isn't required in private institutions - ironically, you want me to, so your arguement, in my opinion is more or less BS.
I have already provided NYU's recognition that they are bound by law to use AA, if they weren't they would not have used the binding term of "obligation", if something is voluntary, then youa re in no way obligated.</p>

<p>But as I said, I'm tired.
G'day.</p>

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what if someone is half asian and half hispanic?

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<p>They're still a minority. So i think it would help your application a lot</p>

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<p>I've read this entire thread. Mostly the topic between JWBlue and Jesmindir, it was great! aside from a few immature insults tossed in.
I think Jesmindir's side was definitely stronger it kind of seemed like JWBlue kept changing his/her posistion everytime Jesmindir would counter it with a credible citation.</p>

<p>Im sorry! I just love debates! this was pretty good. Gosh i'm such a geek! lol</p>

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<p>Jesminder: Let's not call the kettle black here! It's you whose shown no evidence for your ridiculous contention that white women benefit from affirmative action when applying to NYU. Furthermore, the way you're defined it, affrimative action is a very broad term, while I'm talking about blatant racial preference in admissions, which NYU is not required to recognize, but does so anyway.</p>

<p>Prep: Labeling white females and asians URMs for admissions purposes to a school like NYU is pretty looney of Jes, so I fail to see how you think that's a strong position, but to each his own.</p>

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<p>tHATS not true JWBlue, i've read this whole thread and the starting topic on Affirmative action was</p>

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You're assuming that whites and asians are not part of the URM - AA area. White females are considered to be URM and are just as much assisted by AA as any hispanic, middle eastern or african american....

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whether white women were considered URM not whether they are acknowleged by NYU it. its all on page one</p>

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Prep: Labeling white females and asians URMs for admissions purposes to a school like NYU is pretty looney of Jes, so I fail to see how you think that's a strong position, but to each his own.

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As i said, i read this thing start from finish, jesmendir never said that white females and asians are URMS for NYU, s/he said that they were URMs in general, you applied it to NYU by yourself.
and to answer your edit. I'm allowed my opinion. your entire debate was very weak, obviously you'd be biased about it because its YOUR side. as being a nuetral party i see jesmindirs side as stronger</p>

<p>but i dont want to drag myself into a longwinded argument like jesminddirr did, so if it makes you feel better to think what you think, okay.</p>

<p>And try to limit the juvenile name calling.</p>

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<p>Jesminder, you really need to drop the attitude and know-it-allism in all these threads, since you're wrong most of the time</p>

<p>The defination of URM is MEANINGLESS. The fact is every college gives huge slacks for URMS. If you look at the data JWBLUE provided, the huge advantages only apply to hispanics and blacks and natives americans. Women, asians, indian all have comprable or high SAT scores/GPA's as there white male counterparts. It is obvious when they refer to URM, they are referring to hispanics and blacks, since being a woman or w/e gives no statistical advantage. </p>

<p>I don't understand how you can possibly believe women and asians get helped the same as blacks and hispanics, when women and asians have to have the same SAT scores as as white males to get in. I don't feel like adding into the naming calling, but thats just idiotic.</p>

<p>(this is all pointless anyways, its not even affirmative action anymore...its about quotes...similiar but not the same)</p>

<p>prepstad you're wrong since jesminder clearly states ". White females are considered to be URM and are just as much assisted by AA as any hispanic, middle eastern or african american...."</p>

<p>and lastly a minor point, you can see how much of a factor race plays, by weighing average test scores/gpa/etc between ethincities and gender(Though I suppose EC's are harder to quantify)</p>

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<p>I'm sorry, but I cant possibly reply to such hypocritical borderline retarded comments such as yours. i started to point out the ridiculous amounts of mistakes in your comment, but i feel that will lead to you getting even more juvenile than you are now. </p>

<p>Also, "allism" is not a word. and you can't type "know it allism" it can only be read in that tone of voice. if youre reading someone's comments as being "know it all" then that's clearly your fault. you cant blame someone for how you read. </p>

<p>i just thought i'd point that out.</p>

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Also, "allism" is not a word. and you can't type "know it allism" it can only be read in that tone of voice. if youre reading someone's comments as being "know it all" then that's clearly your fault. you cant blame someone for how you read.

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<p>LMAO! that's true</p>

<p>I know I'm jumping in, but I also agree with jesmender's side. :/</p>

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I don't understand how you can possibly believe women and asians get helped the same as blacks and hispanics, when women and asians have to have the same SAT scores as as white males to get in. I don't feel like adding into the naming calling, but thats just idiotic.

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<p>Don't be a tool. If a black person or a hispanic person had the same SAT score as a white male, then they'd still be helped by being a URM?
If a black person and a white person have the exact same scores, the exact same gpa, the exact same quality of extra curriculars and essyas, they'd still be helped, by being a URM? </p>

<p>You're basing all your facts on silly SAT statistics. if a black person did just as well or even better than a white person, they'd STILL be helped by URM, SAT scores have nothing to do with it.</p>

<p>and there's no rule that a white person HAS to put their race, it's OPTIONAL on most college applications. so of course, colleges are now basing admissions on optional information. </p>

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prepstad you're wrong since jesminder clearly states ". White females are considered to be URM and are just as much assisted by AA as any hispanic, middle eastern or african american...."

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<p>jesmender didnt state whether mentioning affirmative action was in regard to admissions, nyu, or generally speaking. generally speaking, white women and asians are considered minorities who are helped by Affirmative action. </p>

<p>you're assuming jesmender was talking about NYU or admissions, which would be a correct assumption if if you were not basing your entire argument on an arbitrary phrase. only the poster can say whether it was generally speaking, which jwblue also said was wrong, or admissions speaking.</p>

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Jesminder, you really need to drop the attitude and know-it-allism in all these threads, since you're wrong most of the time

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<p>and this already shows that you're opinion is biased. you seem to think someone has a -knowitall- attitiude and have seen them in other threads and percieve them as wrong, therefore you already have some sort of hostility towards this person. so you're biased, and your stand point is corrupted by your hostility. </p>

<p>if anyone's acting like a misinformed -knowitall- who's wrong, it's you.</p>

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prepstad you're wrong since jesminder clearly states ". White females are considered to be URM and are just as much assisted by AA as any hispanic, middle eastern or african american...."

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<p>prepstad quoted the EXACT SAME QUOTE you did, so how can prepstad be wrong?</p>

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<p>
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Again that quote doesn't mean anything. It only says that NYU will follow the law (whatever the law may be), it doesn't mean that AA in private universities is the law--that's not a leap of logic that one can make, unless of course you're ready to cite me precedent from the Supreme Court that says private schools have to follow affirmative action in the sense of admitting URM ethnicities with SATs that are sometimes 200 points below the norm.

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<p>NYU is not above the law. They have to pay taxes, keep up amenities and follow the SAME laws as every other public or private school. They are not set on some reservation where they can choose to obey the federal laws or not. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.collegeidea.com/05b.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeidea.com/05b.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>states that the only difference between public and private schools are where the FUNDS are coming from.
they are tied to the same laws as everyone else.</p>

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<p>Woah... way too many replies to bother reading any of them. </p>

<p>But, I'm counting myself out of this, as this seems to be going absolutely nowhere.</p>

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<p>i agree. not only are the arguments becoming very irrevelant to the topic, but people are starting to meticulously disecting every word everyone is saying. Personally, I don't feel there is a need to do this if it doesn't help the initial question-- it's only trying to debase someone or increase one's self-esteem. Certainly "know-it-allism" isn't a word as everyone is saying, and I'm more than positive that the author knows this-- so theres no need to point that out. And not all words need to be in the dictionary to be used-- and there certainly is a rhetorical/figurative language vocabulary that describes this type of usage, so if you want to get all technical, it is valid to do it. Anyhow-- Jesminder-- if the AA/URM that you are talking about applies to a general concern, theres no need to point it out. We are strictly talking about admissions decisions and NYU. </p>

<p>Anyways, moving on...</p>

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<p>i meant to say *meticulously disect</p>

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<p>being a URM makes you an extremely desirable candidate at any top college</p>

<p>in fact, go do advanced searches on this website by typing in "official decisions" at harvard, yale, princeton all top schools where people display their stats and whether they got accepted or rejected. NOTICE how the URM stats are OVER-WHELMINGLY lower than whites and asians (and notice how many whites and asians with better stats got rejected)...</p>

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<p>hm.. i thought that private schools could admit whoever they wanted...</p>

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<p>i just came back here and i didnt know that me starting this topic would blow up into a huge debate. it was exciting to read let me tell you. </p>

<p>i recently was accepted to one of my safeties, with a scholarship for being hispanic which put me into their honors program. just recieving this i thought that there was a definite up for me because i was a minority. </p>

<p>thanks to everyone who defended my "hispanic-ness!"
hehe</p>