<p>Yep that’s your guys’ answer to everything isn’t it- “just another ■■■■■” “lol ■■■■■” “omg ■■■■■”</p>
<p>Grow up and respect a person’s opinions- doesn’t take a PhD from a top 20 university to figure that out.</p>
<p>…To figure what out? That we should respect a person’s zealous opinions when they contradict fact? That’s called ignorance, plain and simple.</p>
<p>Oh yea its really a universal fact that every university has a fraternity that gets a higher GPA than the student body. Call that facts? Wanna post every single university’s facts? Or only the first results on google? Thats called both laziness and ignorance, plain and simple.</p>
<p>You try to discredit my opinions yet you bring nothing new to the table. Dang dude stop trolling ■■■■■.</p>
<p>I’ll literally take all of you on defending my opinion that was attacked for no reason. Gimme your best shot- I’m waiting.</p>
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<p>Please, support your opinion sir.</p>
<p>Personal experience, that and I was making a joke to the people bashing my first opinion that not joining a frat helps you to focus on school and GPA. </p>
<p>Everyone knows frats are a way to make new friends, but the three people trying to silence me just need someone to be the receiver of their personal insults ;)</p>
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Hmm, I don’t believe I ever said that…</p>
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There’s nothing personal about them. :)</p>
<p>^^eh bro just stop trolling ok? Thanks ;)</p>
<p>Burg, </p>
<p>We are calling you a ■■■■■ because until your 2nd to last post you didn’t acknowledge any of the objective evidence that was being presented to contradict what you were falsely claiming. Instead you resorted to false stereotypes “fraternities are only full of idiots and jocks” and personal attacks “keep calling me out buddy, let’s see how far you get.” This is the essence of trolling. You are just trying to get a rise, and I am foolishly giving in to it, regardless of what people say. </p>
<p>In fact, you call my google search lazy research (I admit, it’s not the best metric, but given how much time I’m willing to spend, I have better things to do) while you yourself have not presented ANYTHING to support your claims other than, “personal experience,” and even that evidence was only presented after you got called out for trying to present a personal belief as a truth. You haven’t even taken the time to find ONE outside source about how fraternities hurt your GPA. If you actually read my post and the ones before it, you see all I was doing was supporting the claim that fraternities TEND to have higher GPAs than the average at MANY schools, and that MIT (which is an outlier academically) was not an outlier with regards to fraternity GPAs and average GPAs by showing schools that were not the same academic caliber as MIT, but whose fraternity GPAs were higher than the school average (which actually included the fraternity GPAs, therefore making the average GPA higher than it would be without greeks at those schools).</p>
<p>You are correct that you have the right to an OPINION, but you also have an obligation to express your opinion as an OPINION, not as a FACT. I also have the right to say that your opinion is wrong, especially if I can provide evidence of such.</p>
<p>And I have a right to say YOUR opinion is wrong, which I just did! :D</p>
<p>But man you took wrote that much just to try to prove me wrong? Dang you really need a life. Honestly if you helped the OP as much as you are trying to get at me, he would have his decision made by now. </p>
<p>All i say to this thread and to you is LOL.</p>
<p>And when was all this personal experience acquired?</p>
<p>[Greek</a> Brief: Average GPA of GW Greeks lower than student body – - The GW Hatchet](<a href=“http://www.gwhatchet.com/2008/01/17/greek-brief-average-gpa-of-gw-greeks-lower-than-student-body/]Greek”>http://www.gwhatchet.com/2008/01/17/greek-brief-average-gpa-of-gw-greeks-lower-than-student-body/)</p>
<p>[Does</a> going Greek impair undergraduate academic performance? A case study - page 3 | American Journal of Economics and Sociology, The](<a href=“http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0254/is_5_65/ai_n27096991/pg_3/]Does”>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0254/is_5_65/ai_n27096991/pg_3/)</p>
<p>[Greek</a> houses, residence halls see lower GPAs - Iowa State Daily: News](<a href=“http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/article_b7d71c5b-2000-5dac-a537-c4308929d885.html]Greek”>http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/article_b7d71c5b-2000-5dac-a537-c4308929d885.html)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.alumni.rpi.edu/services/affinity/AIGC/Resources/IRBrief_Retention_GPA.pdf[/url]”>http://www.alumni.rpi.edu/services/affinity/AIGC/Resources/IRBrief_Retention_GPA.pdf</a></p>
<p>[Washington</a> College | The Elm Student Newspaper](<a href=“The Elm – The Student Newspaper of Washington College since 1930”>The Elm – The Student Newspaper of Washington College since 1930)</p>
<p>[Greek</a> students fall into GPA extremes - Pittsburg, KS - Morning Sun](<a href=“http://www.morningsun.net/news/x1790515850/Greek-students-fall-into-GPA-extremes]Greek”>http://www.morningsun.net/news/x1790515850/Greek-students-fall-into-GPA-extremes)</p>
<p>academics.georgiasouthern.edu/fye/tf_E-2.doc</p>
<p>Talk about bringin something new to the table huh? “And I have a right to say YOUR opinion is wrong, especially if I can provide evidence of such” ;)</p>
<p>My old man was in a fraternity (granted, Triangle is pretty nerdy) and he noted that while Greek life is fun, he WOULD NOT recommend it for me, based on my reserved and intellectual personality. He says he met a lot of friends that he keeps up with, but that the whole network thing is vastly overrated. </p>
<p>Also, don’t call your fraternity a ‘frat’ because you wouldn’t call your country…</p>
<p>At my school where 8% of the student body is Greek, you can have just as vivid a social life outside a fraternity/sorority as in one. While it is not unusual for greeks to be friends with non-greeks (there are a lot of non-stereotypical ones) the stereotypes still follow them everywhere, at least around my school. i.e. Greek parties at my school are predominately for naive freshmen who don’t know of any other parties and then Greeks themselves. They do hold some cool community events but by no means is their social scene the only one existing. I would argue that I have just as much fun (if not more fun) being outside the Greek system as I would in. Plus, I’m not required to go on all of these silly events and memorize all these silly chants/pledges…and I would never pay for friends (although that isn’t the case with everyone…blah blah blah). As others have said, it really depends on the school in question, and then your personality/ability to adapt to situations.</p>
<p>fa-la-la-lena, have you ever paid as a member of a club anytime in your life?</p>
<p>Hi Burg,</p>
<p>Sorry for the delay. I was away this weekend with friends, so contrary to your personal attack on me, I do have a life. The reason I post on college life threads is mainly to stand up to bigots like you. (and yes, you are bigoted against Greeks)</p>
<p>I see that you were able to find evidence that at some schools, the Greek GPA is lower than the average GPA, and I appreciate your effort. Unfortunately, it appears that you still have some comprehension issues regarding what an opinion is and what a fact is. I have never put forth any opinions in this discussion, only facts. Your evidence, while valid, does not contradict the fact that I stated: MIT is a good example of the many schools, at which, the all Greek GPA is higher than the average GPA and therefore, going Greek does not automatically mean you will get bad grades.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my opinion, which I am sure you will disagree with, is that going Greek is an incredible experience, and one that teaches you many things about yourself, interactions with subordinates, peers, and superiors (e.g. how to have a debate without resorting to personal attacks), how an organization runs, time management and organizational skills, leadership skills, and on top of all that, rewards you with great memories and even better friends. I feel that I am a happier, better person for having gone Greek, in spite of/thanks to not only the great experiences I had, but also because of the bad experiences I had.</p>
<p>To the OP, if you’re still reading, as people much earlier in this thread have stated (which is why I did not repeat it), you will have to ask people at your school whether it will “matter” if you go Greek, but I would urge you to at the very least rush regardless of what their answers are.</p>
<p>“fa-la-la-lena, have you ever paid as a member of a club anytime in your life?”</p>
<p>Like, I’ve paid $15 in yearly membership dues for Econ club, or to be part of club swimming or softball in high school. But the difference is, most fraternities and sororities are primarily social organizations. I’m talking about the ones that emphasize brotherhood/sisterhood and are not necessarily focused on academics/sports/a particular career field. It’s just not my cup of tea, I’m not saying that everyone who is part of one is “paying for friends.” But I just don’t see the purpose in paying to be part of a social organization when I make my own “social organization” persay just by being friendly with kids in my dorm, cafeteria, classes, etc. I’m not trying to be offensive here…just my perspective.</p>
<p>Let’s be honest with ourselves: who hasn’t paid for friends?</p>
<p>If you’ve ever ate out, had coffee, or went to movies with a friend, those are all costs of making a friend. Or, how about the travel costs to meet each other?</p>
<p>Considering how close the bonds of brotherhood/sisterhood are in a fraternity/sorority and how much goes into making a similarly strong friendship, you’re just getting a really good deal in terms of “paying for friends” when joining a fraternity/sorority.</p>
<p>At least this thread has gotten back on track and isn’t an “attack burgsoccer he’s a ■■■■■” thread.</p>
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That’s actually the cost of going out with a friend, something entirely different from making a friend. I don’t go out to dinner with my friends to maintain the friendships: it’s because I want to go out to dinner and I think the company of my friends will improve that experience.</p>
<p>@excelblue that’s not quite the same thing. I’d still be going out to get dinner with or without my friends there so i’m not paying to befriend them. And most of the hanging out we’ve done outside still doesn’t equal the amount we did back in high school in class or at lunch.</p>