<p>Anyone know of good honors programs where a 1400+ for (CR+M) automatically confers admissions for a student who is in about the 75th percentile of an uber competitive public high school.</p>
<p>Is this for a junior who wil be applying next year? or for a current senior?</p>
<p>There are probably a number of these schools, but they’re not going to be top 60 or so. </p>
<p>What is the situation? is this for next year?</p>
<p>This is for a junior. No financial need. Just looking for a nice group of motivated peers where she’d get the resources of a big research university, but still get some more personalized attention, research opportunities, and a little relief from bureaucracy. </p>
<p>She’s interested in exclusively northeast or midwest, maybe as far south as NC or VA, but definitely not AL (sorry mom2collegekids), MS, TX, etc. </p>
<p>Some like Penn State, and Illinois seem harder to get into than Ivies, and some like Pitt seem like there is no such thing as really “in”, but if you have the 1400+, you are eligible to take honors courses. That might work. </p>
<p>It may not be out there, but that’s why I’m asking.</p>
<p>Iowa State University…1300 SAT required with no GPA requirement.</p>
<p>Most people i talk with seem to think that the ISU program is more active and involved than the one at UIowa.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.honors.iastate.edu/[/url]”>http://www.honors.iastate.edu/</a></p>
<p>Indiana Hutton Honors:
31 ACT or 1350-1380 SAT and 3.95 or top 5% class rank
32-33 ACT or 1390-1460 SAT and 3.90 GPA or top 7.5% class rank
34-36 ACT or 1470+ SAT and 3.85 GPA or top 10% class rank</p>
<p>IUPUI (great school that has the poor misfortion of counting all students, including part-tome and non-degree students in retention numbers)
Students who have completed a rigorous program of study in secondary school, maintained a GPA of 3.75 (on a 4.0 scale) or better, and have an ACT composite score of 27 or an SAT critical reading and math combined score of 1250 or higher are automatically offered admission to the IUPUI Honors College once they are admitted to IUPUI.</p>
<p>Still have GPA to contend with. At IU, Honors can live on spcial dorm floors, etc. At IUPUI, they have special apartments and a special part of the library with amazing equipment and special study rooms, etc. Both have honors classes.</p>
<p>I was going to suggest Indiana, also.</p>
<p>Is South Carolina too far South?</p>
<p>Penn State and its honors college are not anywhere near harder to get into than Ivies, although they might not be automatic for the student you describe.</p>
<p>Pitt has (or at least it had – I haven’t paid a lot of attention recently) rolling admissions. When my daughter applied (HS class of '05), she looked a lot like the student you describe (GPA put her in the second quintile of a large public academic magnet, ~1500 SATs). Applying online took her 10 minutes and consisted of mostly identifying information and stats, no essay, and she got an answer (positive) four days later. This was in September. It doesn’t matter much whether admission is automatic or not if you can get an answer before you even download anyone else’s application.</p>
<p>D’s Honors had worked for her goal perfectly. Requirements were ACT=31+, top 2% of class, 200 spots in Honors. It has probably changed since 5 years ago anyway.</p>
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I assume that means she is in the lower 25% of the class wrt ranking. My S had high test scores SAT 1410, ACT 31, but only a 3.25GPA. S did not get into any of the honors programs he applied to. We were told that the schools did not use a holistic approach for the honors program it was strickly by the numbers. OTOH, he did get a fair amount of merit from most schools he applied to.</p>
<p>^ I think when people say “75th percentile” they mean the line between the top quartile and the second-highest quartile, not the bottom. If there isn’t general agreement about that, we should all get our terminology straight.</p>
<p>Schreyers does not use SAT scores. They are very interested in leadership, community involvement and interest in making a difference in the lives of others. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.shc.psu.edu/about/annualReport.pdf?ts=123123125[/url]”>http://www.shc.psu.edu/about/annualReport.pdf?ts=123123125</a></p>
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<p>No, I mean the top 25%, not the top 2%, 5% or 10%.</p>
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<p>I assume they at least use grades as a major factor. Otherwise the program would be much bigger. D2 took a few very hard classes and is paying a heavy price and the school no longer weights grades. </p>
<p>D has no regrets, but I’m looking for programs where grades are less of a factor than SAT scores. Also, she’s learning toward chem engineering with a bio focus.</p>
<p>“Schreyers does not use SAT scores. They are very interested in leadership, community involvement and interest in making a difference in the lives of others.”</p>
<p>-Everybody else does that. But saying that GPA=1.5 /SAT=600 as an example will be in Honors is a bit too much. What is the purpose of Honors if not attracting the very top caliber students to State Public schools, who otherwise will be at Ivy/Elite? There were very many valedictorians in D’s Honors, they all had incredible EC’s and continue with them at college, but they also have enough of acdemical background to be able to keep up with academics in Honors.</p>
<p>My D just got rejected from Schreyer, SAT 1500+, straight A’s with the most rigorous load at a rigorous independent HS. Her GC said her app is superb, nothing much to add on. She got a Braddock Scholarship just last week. I thought that meant she was in. We were hoping Schreyer could be one of her safeties. We are shocked/bummed. Either my kid is not as competitive as we thought or Schreyer is as competitive as Ivies.</p>
<p>Igloo, that jibes with my understanding. Sorry for your D. I’m sure she’ll have great options.</p>
<p>My understanding of Schreyer In-State applicant is to not even consider applying unless you are Ivy competitive. </p>
<p>Maybe it is just our circle and area (Bucks County), but the only kids in the last 6 years that I have know to gain acceptance also gained acceptance at top 10 LACs or top 15 Universities.</p>
<p>Igloo - Sorry for your daughter’s rejection, but I am not shocked.</p>
<p>The teaser was the Schloarship letter. I mistakenly believed Braddock was given to Honors students and got complacent.</p>
<p>Igloo,
My D. was rejected by several programs at colleges where she recieved awesome Merit awards. Some programs had about 15 spots with close to 1000 applications, I am NOT talking about Ivy’s at all. Igloo, your D. will find a perfect place for herself. It is their loss, not hers. She will be fine at ANY place, just trust me. We did not go thruany shocker, D. simply went to her #2 after being rejected at #1 and eventually ended up at her #1 in Med. School. Now, looking back and having experience at both, she is very happy how it played out for her. There is such a thing as luck and fate and it works out to benefit hard working kids like your D.</p>
<p>Our guidance counselor warned us that Schreyer was as capricious as the Ivies in its patterns of acceptances, and not to count on it even with an SAT above 1500, great letters and EC 's, high GPA. etc. Especially in this economy, an offer from Schreyer is hard to pass up for in-state families that would be full-pay at a top school. Our Naviance does indicate, however, that the odds of getting into Schreyer for a top student are somewhat better than those of getting into Ivies and other top 20 schools.</p>
<p>That said, it is still hard for me to believe that a student receiving a Braddock would not also be accepted into Schreyer. (Their loss…) Usually students from our high school who are accepted into Ivies and denied at Schreyer have strong non-academic hooks.</p>