<p>Homer - stop being a hater. If your job got outsourced - sorry, find another one. If you can’t, do what it takes to make a living.</p>
<p>Again, speaking from the global economy point of view - outsourcing is a natural thing.
Being optimistic is not helping, but thinking too negative isn’t a great idea either.
Do you absolutely think we are in the 1980 when everyone relies on the American, and not the German and Chinese?
Don’t look at yourself, as an American, above everyone.</p>
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<p>Part of your job working as an engineer is keeping your skills current.</p>
<p>We just lost another engineer taking a job elsewhere. We have a lot of work and and the engineers that we have have ten to twenty-five years of experience. Not something that is easily prone to outsourcing.</p>
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<p>What kind of engineers? What kind of skills? We’re steadily hiring and buying out other companies. In the US and in India.</p>
<p>A company we work with in Texas is growing like crazy and recruiting aggressively. They are looking for people in the following areas, for their Texas and Florida offices:</p>
<p>Electrical Engineering
Fire Investigation
Mechanical Engineering
Architectural Engineering
Structural Engineering
Civil Engineering</p>
<p>The kind of work they do canNOT be outsourced. I know they pay well. If anyone is interested, PM me and I will give you their contact info. Please, serious applicants, only.</p>
<p>We actually tried to outsource the ■■■■■’s job to India but was returned with the note:</p>
<p>"Dear United States,</p>
<p>We appreciate the industry you don’t like. Our country is growing! However, kindly keep this piece of ***** as far away from us. Yours, </p>
<p>-India"</p>
<p>Drove by the local BAE this afternoon. They had their signboard out with a list of engineering job openings.</p>
<p>Not all job postings are legitimate. Cisco, for instance, was caught a few years ago forwarding all of their resumes, not to HR like every other company does, but to a major law firm. Why? So that this way they could disqualify all of the US applicants and hire foreigners.</p>
<p>[Cisco's</a> immigration law firm audited for improper behavior by U.S. Department of Labor | NetworkWorld.com Community](<a href=“http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/29473]Cisco’s”>http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/29473)</p>
<p>Economic times are tough, but if I were out job hunting right now, I’d rather do it with an engineering degree than anything else.*</p>
<p>*Well, unless I had some sort of specialized medical degree like if I were a med school grad.</p>
<p>I would rather have an MD. If not that, then an RN or even a top 3 JD.</p>
<p>I dont think Homer is a ■■■■■. He/she might be out of job due to outsourcing to overseas - as I am, a computer programmer of 26 yrs at a forune 100 Ins compan that outsourced its whole IT dept to India. I am guessing that he or she might have gone around the blocks a few times, again, such as I , unlike some in this forum. Homer expresses a valid point of view, as others do in this forum.</p>
<p>Yes, outsourcing is real, but it is not good if you are the one being outsourced and you have a middle class standard of living with a spouse, a house, and kids. Maybe it is good for someone in India. However, a shrinking middle class is definitely not good for the US of A. Two years ago, I gave the US of A $15,000 in income taxes, while last year, the US of A gave me a $7,500 back. When this is multiplied by thousands, this country is on the road to rhodesia.</p>
<p>LEt’s see the other points of view as long as they are rational and ideally well argued with citations.</p>
<p>I am trying to advise my son now that he is entering college. I have heard many of my ITcohorts who have been downsized say to stay away from engineering , computers and the like due to the outsourcing, but I am not so sure.</p>
<p>there is some outsourcing but mostly for the easy IT/programming jobs…I am always able to find work as a software engineer. </p>
<p>Also IT, computer science, and engineering are not the same thing.</p>
<p>can someone give a quick thumbnail of the disciplines of </p>
<p>software engineer, computer science, computer engineering?</p>
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<li>as seen in the workplace AND as seen in college?</li>
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<p>I also wondered what many engineers think about their future job prospects, because of the United States outsourcing to other countries.</p>
<p>…So Homer…what do you propose for engineers who are unemployed? Should they leave the field, or never become engineers in the first place? How do they get themselves employed and have a better life…?</p>
<p>I agree there are problems with the engineering field in the US. There are problems with many fields and the economy as a whole though.</p>
<p>Homer is no longer with us.</p>
<p>(Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine… God rest his poor troubled soul.)</p>
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<p>Please compare and contrast these disciplines as they exist as disciplines in academia (major courses of study for students) and as disciplines outside of academia (jobs for the students). What are they?</p>
<p>I am a ‘computer programmer’, but am I a software engineer?</p>
<p>I’m not even sure software engineer is well defined…</p>
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<p>After losing my job as a computer programmer to Indian outsourcing in a patent abuse of the H1b visa policy, I am living testimony -as well as my poor family and this poor country - that it is a lot more than Homer’s ‘troubled soul’. This country has a mile deep budget deficit and giving jobs to people in Mombai while at the same time exchanging my $15,000 that I gave TO the US treasury for $7,000 FROM the US treasury, is not going in the right direction to correct this deficit.</p>
<p>On top of this, my kids, the kids of former computer programmers and now home depotians will not be able to go colleges that match their potential and this will exacerbate this mess to our country’s coiffures and our ability to compete in the future with the asian tigers.</p>
<p>We need some leaders with vision going to forward.</p>
<p>Now back to the discussion - please tease out the differences between </p>
<p>sw engineering, comp science, computer programming, and computer engineering in the college context and in teh real world job context.</p>
<p>And I’m sorry that you’ve fallen on difficult times. However, it’s not going to do any good to come onto a college admissions forum and denigrate the country and your industry. There are certainly problems, but discouraging some of the best and the brightest from going into tech industries is possibly going to worsen things and contribute to domestic unemployment.</p>
<p>Complaining here is not the answer, ■■■■■■■■ is not the answer, provoking flame wars is not the answer. That’s what Homer was doing around here.</p>
<p>aibarr is wise beyond her years. I’m older, and she gives me hope for the next generation! As a country, we need to roll up our sleeves and get to work. Get involved in local politics. For example, here in Maine we had a Democratic governnor, Democratic House, and Democratic Senate. These people have imposed so many regulations that Forbes recently designated our state as THE worst in the country to do business! Guess what? As of January, we will have a Republican governor, Republican House, and Republican senate! The governor is admittedly rough-hewn, but he managed to get the budget of a Maine town reduced without any layoffs. As a small business owner, I am very encouraged!</p>