<p>I would love to get feedback from anyone who researched colleges majoring in Hospitality/Restaurant Management, as well as culinary courses. Which colleges had the best overall curriculum? I live in New Jersey and do not want to travel too far...</p>
<p>Cornell. Hands down. </p>
<p>But other than that …look at the CIA programs, PennState, and George Washington. Also Johnson and Wales.</p>
<p>Hands down Johnson and Wales they have one of the best programs in the country and they also have their own hotel/restauraunts that students intern and manage.</p>
<p>You are lucky, both of the schools mentioned are very good and close.</p>
<p>Apply to both, I would choose Cornell for quality and if you decide to change majors you’ll be well off doing anything</p>
<p>Culinary Institute of America for anything on the culinary arts side. There simply is no equal in the minds of executives anywhere in the country.
For the hospitality/management side, go to a school with a good business program (majoring in business admin and minoring in Spanish) located in a vacation/resort destination city, and work in a good restaurant part time while studying wine. That is honestly the best way to get ahead quickly in premier 5 star restaurants and resorts.</p>
<p>Plus, if you ever want to work at the executive level+ of a major hotel/resort operation, ‘hospitality management’ is not better than a traditional business education when combined with high end restaurant experience.</p>
<p>If your heart is set on going to school for hospitality management, hospitality and tourism or restaurant management, then I believe UNLV to be the best option for anyone. The internship program is simply unrivaled by any college, and experience is always going to out-trump all.
This is one industry that does not care about ivy league and prestige.</p>
<p>I am also very much interested in Hospitality/Restaurant Management. However, I am currently a junior at UC-Berkeley majoring in Environmental Economics and Policy.
I really want to do something in food processing and management. Perhaps, be the manager of a restuarant someday.
I am having a real hard time finding an internship this summer. Do you think I should go to some culinary school to get a degree in something along the lines of food and management?
I really don’t want to have to spend another 4 years getting a Bachelors at CIA.
Is there any masters option that is only 1 or 2 years. I am really desperate looking for any way to get myself started. I do have some experience working in a food environment but that was back in highschool (kitchen in a big hospital and cafeteria in a private organization)</p>
<p>thanks in advance for all your help</p>
<p>For hospitality Cornell has a really good program.</p>
<p>risingup-
First of all, you could get a job managing a restaurant after you graduate. The entry level pay is very low and the hours are long, but if your dedicated and you really want to do it then there is always room for intelligent people to move up fast.
Second, the CIA program is an associate level 2 year program. But if that is still too long, the the French Culinary Institute in NYC is a 6 month intensive program which has really gained credibility in the F&B world. It is very difficult and requires very long hours but it is only 6 months of hell and you learn a lot.
Third, after completion of your degree, you could always take some online hospitality management certificates through eCornell, this would help you land a job in F&B.</p>
<p>There are many misconceptions about the food and beverage or hospitality management career path. I have been in it for over a decade, and have worked for many of the top chefs in the country, if not the world. It is thankless work most of the time, and your work day tend to go very late into the evening. It is not conducive to family, or much normalcy for that matter. My advice is always to get a job in a restaurant for a while and see if you like it. It is definitely not for everyone.</p>
<p>I second what VeasSommelier said. Cornell & UNLV both have great programs with cornell having the edge unless you want to work in Vegas. Minor in spanish is a plus!</p>
<p>Michigan State.</p>
<p>university of central florida in orlando has the Rosen college of Hospitality Management and a program in Restaurant and Food service management.
I would think a Hospitality management program housed in orlando or las vegas would lead to incredible internship opportunities. </p>
<p>Temple U in Philadelphia also has a school of hospitality and tourism.</p>
<p>At UNLV, you have the option to do your internship through MGM Mirage in the M.A.P. program (management apprentice program) and learn to manage every point of sale in a resort (gaming, operations, entertainment and f&b), after which you are placed into a position probably in the 40k to 50k range, DOE. Harrah’s has a similar program for management as well as MBA students.
I know that Disney has a similar program, so C. Florida would be very good as well.
I believe J&W does an internship program as well, but location dictates what kind of business it will be.
Obviously, at a place like Temple, Philly will offer great restaurants and hotels to work at.
And I do not know what places like mich state and penn state could offer you as an experience/resume builder.</p>
<p>I just cannot get behind schools that do not have some type of one the job training in the hospitality industry. I have interviewed people fresh out of school, and their expression is less than enthusiastic when they realize the earning potential versus the amount of hours worked. You could have a Masters in Hospitality Administration, and with no experience, your start would be 35k to 45k with well over 55 hours a week. This is very difficult to stomach when you are managing bartenders and servers who are bringing home $200 to $300 a night plus making $15 per hour, with full benefits; and never working a minute over 40 hours a week. (or nightclub bartenders who are making $500 to $2000 a night)</p>
<p>Things that boost your earning potential are: extensive knowledge of wine (a sommelier certification), fluency in spanish, accounting experience, high end culinary training, or experience at a 5 star/5 diamond restaurant or resort.</p>
<p>Here is a sobering list for those wanting a career in F&B/Hospitality:</p>
<p>Salary positions:
Asst. Manager of a high end restaurant: $45k/yr, 2pm to 12/1am 5-6 nights a week.
Asst GM " " " : $55k/yrs, same hours as above, plus a small cut of the bonus pool
GM " " ":$75k/yr, 70+ hours a week, nice bonus potential
Director/Exec level: Base: $60k to $120k + bonuses and perks; unlimited hours</p>
<p>asst. Hotel manager: $36k/yr, 45 to 55+ hours a week
Hotel manager: $47k/yr, 60+ hours a week, + bonus
Director/exec level: $60k to $120k + bonuses and perks; unlimited hours</p>
<p>Hourly positions: (never more than 40 hours a week)
Sommelier: $16/hr + tip pool ($75 to $200 night) + bonus structure + full benefits
Bartender: $17/hr + tips ($100 to $500 night) + full benefits
Nightclub Bartender: $17/hr + tips ($200 to $2000 night) + benefits
Server: $14/hr + tips ($100 to $400 night) + benefits
Poolside/Lounge Model Server (female): $14/hr + tips ($200 to $5000 a shift) + benefits
(Yes, women who work at the pools such as rehab and bare can make 2k to 5k in a shift)</p>
<p>jlippiello - My DD is a HS junior interested in Hospitality Management but leaning more to Convention and Meeting management rather than Culinary Arts. I’ve whittled our list down to the following:</p>
<p>University of Central Florida
Temple University
Virginia Tech
Florida International University
Florida State University - Limited Access Program!!
University of Mass - Amherst
Penn State University (No meeting/convention focus but we’re from PA so it’s in play)
East Carolina University
Michigan State University - Limited Access Program!!
Syracuse University
Purdue University
James Madison University
Boston University
Endicott College
Widener University
East Stroudsburg University</p>
<p>I’ve taken Cornell, UNLV, GWU, Drexel, U of Delaware, Fairleigh Dickinson, J&W, and U of New Hampshire off our list for various reasons. So far, we have only visited BU which was positive. Endicott is a recent addition but I can’t seem to find any info on their program aside from their own web site. In addition, MSU and FSU appear to be the only programs that are limited access - can anyone confirm others? Is there an advantage to going to a school where the Hospitality program is in the business school as opposed to an ecology school?</p>
<p>Why would anyone want to go to school for something that may not even amount to a career afterwords. Those convention people get laid off, fired and quite so much, it is like a revolving door.
If you go for business administration, you have so many more options. Anyone who is going to school for hotel/restaurant/hospitality majors is really not thinking it through very well, or really does not know what the business is about.
Take it of leave it, from someone who has been in the business for over a decade, and works in a 5 star/5 diamond Vegas resort… A business degree and some experience is simply the way to go.</p>
<p>dadd- we’re also in similar situation with d # 2. She’s a sport management major, and that too is a major that can be housed in the department of parks and recreation, kineseology, health or professional studies with an emphasis on taking business courses in addition to the sport management classes.
I’m very glad my kids program at SUNY Cortland puts the emphasis on business and requires its majors to take classes in accounting, finance, management etc. as well as sport management.<br>
In todays world, I think it is imperative for kids going into fields like sport management or hospitality to have a strong background in business too. She is also minoring in communications and taking a bunch of courses in marketing and public relations/advertising.<br>
I became a bit familiar with the programs at Temple as the sport management major was housed in the school of hospitality and tourism and I remember there was an emphasis on taking business courses through their Fox School of Business.</p>
<p>Univ. of Houston has really reputable bachelor and master programs:</p>
<p>[Conrad</a> N. Hilton College: Portal Home](<a href=“http://www.hrm.uh.edu/]Conrad”>http://www.hrm.uh.edu/)</p>
<p>For culinary training, the Culinary Institute of America is considered the standard in the US. Of course, complimenting the training at the CIA with an apprenticeship at a top rated restaurant in the following countries would probably enhance your skills as a chef:</p>
<p>FRANCE:
With Pierre Gagnaire at Pierre Gagnaire in Paris, France
With Guy Savoy at Guy Savoy in Paris, France
With Bernard Pacaud at L’Ambroisie in Paris, France
With Yannick Alleno at Le Meurice in Paris, France
With Christian Le Squer at le Pavillon Ledoyen in Paris, France
With Alain Passard at L’Arpege in Paris, France
With Pascal Bardot at L’Astrance in Paris, France
With Jean Francois Piege at Les Ambassadeurs in Paris, France
With Alain Ducasse at Plaza Athenee in Paris, France or Louis XV in Monte Carlo, Monaco
With Michel Trama at Les Loges de L’Aubergade in Puymirol, France
With Michel Troisgros at Maison Troisgros in Roanne, France
With Anne Sophie Pic at Maison Pic in Valence, France
With Jean Georges Klein at L’Arnsbourg in Baerenthal, France</p>
<p>GERMANY
With Heinz Winkler at Restaurant Heinz Winkler in Aschau Im Chiemgau, Germany
With Harald WohlFahrt at Die Schwartzwaldstube in Tonbach, Germany
With Claus Peter Lumpp at Restaurant Bareiss in Baiersbronn-Mitteltal, Germany
With Dieter Muller at Dieter Muller in Bergish Gladbach, Germany
With Joachim Wissler at the Vendome in Bergish Gladbach, Germany
With Christian Bau at Schloss Berg in Perl, Germany</p>
<p>ITALY
With Nadia Santini at Dal Pescatore in Canneto sull’Oglio
With Massimiliano Alajmo at Le Calandre in Padua, Italy
With Heinz Beck at La Pergola in Rome, Italy
With Luisa Valazza at Al Sorriso in Soriso, Italy</p>
<p>UNITED STATES
With Patrick O’ Connell at the Inn at Little Washington in Washington (not in DC), VA
With Jonathan Cartwright at White Barn Inn in Kennebunkport, ME
With Daniel Bouloud at Daniel in NYC
With Jean Georges Vongerichten at Jean Georges in NYC
With Thomas Keller at Per Se in NYC and the French Laundry in Yountville (Napa Valley), CA
With Charlie Trotter at Charlie Trotters in Chicago, Illinois
With Grant Achatz at Alinea in Chicago, Illinois
With Nathan Whiting at Woodlands Inn and Resort in Summerville (Charleston area), SC</p>
<p>Those are just a few examples, I am sure there are many others.</p>
<p>For Hospitality Management, I would rate programs in the following order:</p>
<p>Cornell University </p>
<p>Michigan State
University of Houston
University of Nevada-Las Vegas </p>
<p>Florida State University
Pennsylvania State University-University Park
University of Massachusetts-Amherst</p>
<p>If any parent is thinking about sending their kids to school to study restaurant/hospitality/hotel management, especially when their kid has never stepped foot in the profession at any level, then they should probably just kick their own a$$ now and get it over with.
If you started at 18, right out of high school, you could get much farther in 4 years of work than if you had a degree in the field.
I would also venture a guess of about 7 out of 10 people in the ‘hospitality’ business cannot wait for the opportunity to get out of the business all together.
It kills me how much people really do not understand this business, and how schools are making a killing off of these unnecessary majors.</p>
<p>Cornell University
Purdue University
Clemson University
UMass-Amherst</p>
<p>Excellent point VegasSommelier. That is why Cornell’s Hotel Management program is so desirable. The companies that recruit their students are not just limited to hospitally firms. Many Consulting houses, Investment Banks and Manufacturing companies recruit specifically target Hotelies at Cornell.</p>