Hot and safe engineering majors

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<p>Hey all</p>

<p>here are the hottest engineering majors</p>

<p>Bioengineering
Aerospace (big demand due to space tourism, jobs cannot be outsourced)
Industrial engineering ( alot of consulting companies recruit ppl)
Civil engineering ( jobs cannot be outsourced to india, china)
Chemical engineering
Nuclear engineering ( since all the old nuclear power plants will need to be replaced they need alot of ppl)</p>

<p>Engineering being outsourced to india and china (avoid them )</p>

<p>mechanical ( worst of the three)
electrical ( my professor said it will be like CS alot will be outsourced)
CS (2nd worst)</p>

<p>check out the links below, </p>

<p><a href="http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006604060556%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006604060556&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://washingtontimes.com/business/20050628-115957-4358r.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://washingtontimes.com/business/20050628-115957-4358r.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/30/A01-365848.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/30/A01-365848.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>"Three days after the bankruptcy, Delphi announced plans to invest $10 million to expand its development center in Bangalore, where employment has grown from 35 in 2000 to 360 engineers today. The news prompted another wave of private e-mail exchanges by U.S. engineers. "</p>

<p>thats 360 less american engineers being hired here</p>

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<p>Well, look, ANY job can be outsourced in theory. </p>

<p>For example, you say that aerospace engineering cannot be outsourced. Why not? Right now, China is demanding that as a condition of buying planes from Boeing, Boeing has to begin building plants in China. Right now, many of the constituent parts manufacturers of the major aircraft manufacturers such as Boeing and Airbus are located in China. In 10-20 years, most world aircraft manufacturing could theoretically be performed in China. The same could be said about design. There is no theoretical reason why Boeing couldn't hire Chinese aerospace engineers to design their new models, and thus laying off their American design staff. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12652775/site/newsweek/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12652775/site/newsweek/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Civil engineering too can also be outsourced, especially much of the design work. There is no theoretical reason why an American company couldn't just fly in civil engineers from Asia to temporarily work on a site until a project is built. After all, right now, plenty of American civil engineers work overseas building bridges and dams in foreign countries. So why is it so impossible that in the future, Chinese and Indian civil engineers couldn't be working in the US, building US bridges and dams? </p>

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"Three days after the bankruptcy, Delphi announced plans to invest $10 million to expand its development center in Bangalore, where employment has grown from 35 in 2000 to 360 engineers today. The news prompted another wave of private e-mail exchanges by U.S. engineers. "</p>

<p>thats 360 less american engineers being hired here

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<p>Right there, I'm afraid to say, is a simple misunderstanding of economics. Just because India gains 360 jobs doesn't mean that America has lost 360 jobs. That's not how economics works. </p>

<p>The first thing I would say is that if that's the way you want to look at the world, then you could say that, if anything, American is actually GAINING engineering jobs from outsourcing. After all, plenty of American engineers work for foreign companies. I know plenty of American electrical engineers and computer scientists who work for Toyota. Are they "taking" jobs from Japanese engineers? I know American engineers who work for Nokia. Are they taking jobs from Finns? </p>

<p>But secondly, and far more importantly, cheaper labor enables companies to start new initiatives. Take the example of the Ipod. Most (I think all) of the parts of the Ipod are manufactured in Asia. But all of the design work is done in California. Using Asian components lowers the cost structure of the Ipod enough to make it a viable product. If all of the components had to be manufactured in the US, then the Ipod would be so expensive that nobody would buy it. Hence, the reason why all of those American Ipod design engineers even have jobs is BECAUSE outsourcing enables the Ipod market to exist. Without outsourcing, these American Ipod design engineers would not have jobs. Neither would all of those American industrial engineers whose job it is to properly manage the Ipod supply chain (syncing all of the Asian component manufacturing). In fact, one of my friends just got hired by Apple to be a supply-chain expert where he is going to manage that supply chain, which means lots of trips between Cupertino and China for him. If outsourcing didn't exist, then the Ipod wouldn't exist, which would mean that he wouldn't have a job.</p>

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<p>sakky, what kind of engineer are you?</p>

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<p>sakky what kind of engineering are u and what industry u work in or school u go to</p>

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<p>Last time I checked at the job fair there were more job recruiters for mechanical than any other engineering disciplines</p>

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sakky what kind of engineering are u and what industry u work in or school u go to

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sakky, what kind of engineer are you?

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<p>Uh, I have to ask, why exactly does it matter?</p>

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<p>The OP really is confused or completely clueless. CS is an amazing field to go into as of the moment. One more in demand and very high paying in today's economy than any other engineering major.</p>

<p>Don't believe me?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm#emply%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm#emply&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Scroll down and look under JOB OUTLOOK. It specifically says:</p>

<p>"Computer software engineers are projected to be one of the fastest-growing occupations from 2004 to 2014. Rapid employment growth in the computer systems design and related services industry, which employs the greatest number of computer software engineers, should result in very good opportunities for those college graduates with at least a bachelor’s degree in computer engineering or computer science and practical experience working with computers. Employers will continue to seek computer professionals with strong programming, systems analysis, interpersonal, and business skills. With the software industry beginning to mature, however, and with routine software engineering work being increasingly outsourced overseas, job growth will not be as rapid as during the previous decade.</p>

<p>Employment of computer software engineers is expected to increase much faster than the average for all occupations, as businesses and other organizations adopt and integrate new technologies and seek to maximize the efficiency of their computer systems. Competition among businesses will continue to create an incentive for increasingly sophisticated technological innovations, and organizations will need more computer software engineers to implement these changes. In addition to jobs created through employment growth, many job openings will result annually from the need to replace workers who move into managerial positions, transfer to other occupations, or leave the labor force."</p>

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<p>Posts like the OP made can not only be misleading but also dangerous because people read them and believe them. Read this article from CNN.com:</p>

<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Two software fields are in the top 10 best jobs to work for in the US.</p>

<p>And you're telling me CS is the "second" worst to go into???</p>

<p>From the cnn article, let me quote:</p>

<p>"1. Software Engineer
Why it's great Software engineers are needed in virtually every part of the economy, making this one of the fastest-growing job titles in the U.S. Even so, it's not for everybody.</p>

<p>Designing, developing and testing computer programs requires some pretty advanced math skills and creative problem-solving ability. If you've got them, though, you can work and live where you want: Telecommuting is quickly becoming widespread.</p>

<p>The profession skews young -- the up-all-night-coding thing gets tired -- but consulting and management positions aren't hard to come by once you're experienced.</p>

<p>What's cool Cutting-edge projects, like designing a new video game or tweaking that military laser. Extra cash from freelance gigs. Plus, nothing says cool like great prospects.</p>

<p>What's not Jobs at the biggest companies tend to be less creative (think Neo, pre-Matrix). Outsourcing is a worry. Eyestrain and back, hand and wrist problems are common.</p>

<p>Top-paying job Release engineers, who are responsible for the final version of any software product, earn six figures.</p>

<p>Education Bachelor's degree, but moving up the ladder often requires a master's."</p>

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<p>sakky, I don't think they were attacking you they just want to know what type of engineer you are. It allows some to gauge the validity of someone's arguement when they know that person has experience in that field.</p>

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<p>Sakky's a grad student with a background in chem engineering and a future in finance. I'm being vague out of human decency and respect for his wishes for anonymity, but I think people are entitled to some measure of qualifications aside from post count, which is merely a measure of volume, and not necessarily of quality.</p>

<p>(PS- too much fieldwork in civ eng design, it'd be cost-prohibitive to outsource. We're still okay.)</p>

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<p>I'm certain where he went for undergrad and what specific career he wants to pursue.But since he doesnt want to divulge that information......</p>

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<p>Uhh let him post if he wishes to; don't post for him.</p>

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<p>I'm pretty sure nobody was intending upon saying where he goes, though, as he's said before, it's a fairly simple matter of figuring out where he goes from his biases.</p>

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There is no theoretical reason why an American company couldn't just fly in civil engineers from Asia to temporarily work on a site until a project is built. After all, right now, plenty of American civil engineers work overseas building bridges and dams in foreign countries. So why is it so impossible that in the future, Chinese and Indian civil engineers couldn't be working in the US, building US bridges and dams?

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<p>I think you're missing an economic point here... why would an American company fly people in to do temporary projects in the US (which means they would have to provide competetive wages for these people to live here for the project--unless the temporary workers are willing to live under crappy conditions inside America's higher cost economy), when they could just hire temporary engineers in the US, and avoid the expense of flying them in, helping them adjust to the new living environment, and shipping them out?</p>

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I think you're missing an economic point here... why would an American company fly people in to do temporary projects in the US (which means they would have to provide competetive wages for these people to live here for the project--unless the temporary workers are willing to live under crappy conditions inside America's higher cost economy), when they could just hire temporary engineers in the US, and avoid the expense of flying them in, helping them adjust to the new living environment, and shipping them out?

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<p>i absolutely agree. there are so many steps to complete a project in civil engineering, i woudl say about 50% of it is bureaucratic procedure.</p>

<p>say designing a freeway and a building, you are going to have to get soooo MANY different permits from the city, county an dpossibliy the state for freeways.</p>

<p>u need land surveyors, HVAC (heating ventilation air conditioning) mech engineers, as well as EE's for the electrical system, as well as the architect and structural engineer. all 4 of these guys or groups of them will have to coordinate and collaborate on every major project. </p>

<p>oh yeah and btw each step of the design process being the structural layout, the HVAC layout, the electrical systems layout needs to be approved by at least the city govt. whoever designs this stuff has to be extremely familiar with the zoning and bulidings codes of that state. </p>

<p>and all of these ppl i just mentioned excluding the architect must have professional engineer's license. to get this license u must possess at least (i may be off by 1or 2 years) 3 years of experience working under another PE. </p>

<p>it is practically impossible to get effective and efficient as well as cost efficient design work outsourced to another country. </p>

<p>secondly the land surveyors are a vital aspect of constructing buildings, freeways or whatever. so they rely on onsite practical field experience to provide suggestions for the structural engineer to make. </p>

<p>also consider the fact that about around 50% of civ engineers work for the govt. they are part of the same umbrella union as the firefighters, police officers, mail workers, teachers and all govt employees of the state of california.</p>

<p>sakky ur actually doing all the med, dental, pharm, optometry students as well as some other fields a favor by encouraging all the smart competition into a financially unrewarding field (engineering). </p>

<p>so sakky get ur facts straight, i await ur response</p>

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<p>50% of all civ engineers work for the government?</p>

<p>Where are you getting that figure? There's no way that's correct.</p>

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<p>I completly disagree with the original post in this thread. I believe the safest engineering majors are electrical and mechanical since they are the most broad-based. You can get a job in many industries with either of these. Many Aerospace and IE jobs are also filled by MEs and EEs. Before our engineering program was started there was a large area study on demand for majors and ME and EE were the clear winners in jobs available.</p>

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<p>this links seems to say it's 1/3 of all civil engineers are in government positions</p>

<p><a href="http://www.umsl.edu/services/govdocs/ooh20002001/136.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.umsl.edu/services/govdocs/ooh20002001/136.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>i remember it was somewhat higher, ill search around later</p>

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I completly disagree with the original post in this thread. I believe the safest engineering majors are electrical and mechanical since they are the most broad-based. You can get a job in many industries with either of these. Many Aerospace and IE jobs are also filled by MEs and EEs. Before our engineering program was started there was a large area study on demand for majors and ME and EE were the clear winners in jobs available.

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<p>yeah but for how long, i mean sure u can probably get hired right away if u networked and got an internship during college</p>

<p>but are u going to become more in demand as u get older?</p>

<p>i doubt it.</p>

<p>nursing, pharm, optometry, still doctors got it pretty well off in terms of long term job outlook and security</p>