<p>JHS has gotten me thinking about left-handers vs. right-handers. Wonder if that has ever been tracked at schools? Would be curious if left-handers are over or under represented. But since I am a left-hander, maybe that would only be interesting to me! Wonder what the percentage of left-handers is on CC. Just musing .</p>
<p>“I’m not sure how often the scores are that lopsided, but the composite is only part of the story.”</p>
<p>I understand. The composite of ACT acts in the same way as a total for SAT. If people are assuming that 580 +580 + 580 (1740?) for the three sections are to be added up to show Harvard admits subpar candidates (they are superior to the national average btw) then it is an invalid analysis since we really don’t know if the same candidate got the three subpar 600s. So if one were to ask whether this is plausible, then ACT composite tells you whether it is possible to have a 27 composite and get into Harvard. We are looking for the actual total to prove a point right?</p>
<p>I went looking for Princeton admits and scores (they had SAT totals for 2011). I find this table interesting.</p>
<p>Admission 2012: Class of 2016*
All percentages rounded.</p>
<pre><code> Applicants Admitted Enrolled
No. % of Total No. % of Applicants No. % of Admits % of Class
</code></pre>
<p>Total 26,664 — 2,094 7.9 1,364 65.1 —
Men 13,853 52.0 1,060 7.7 695 65.6 51.0
Women 12,811 48.0 1,034 8.1 669 64.7 49.0
Alumni children 646 2.4 200 31.0 154 77.0 11.3
Minority students 10,308 38.7 990 9.6 574 58.0 42.1
International students 4,732 17.7 255 5.4 154 60.4 11.3
*As of July 31, 2012.</p>
<p>[Undergraduate</a> Admission - A Princeton Profile](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/pub/profile/admission/undergraduate/]Undergraduate”>http://www.princeton.edu/pub/profile/admission/undergraduate/)</p>
<p>Here is the SAT data for 2015 class.</p>
<p>Admit Rates by SAT Range*
SAT Scores % Accepted
2300–2400 21.6
2100–2290 9.4
1900–2090 4.3
1700–1890 1.4
1500–1690 0.2
Below 1500 0.0
No CEEB Scores 6.5</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/admission/pdfs/Profile_11.pdf[/url]”>http://www.princeton.edu/admission/pdfs/Profile_11.pdf</a></p>
<p>Btw, the above table represents acceptance rate of people who had those scores and not actual number of admittees. So it is anybody’s guess how many actually applied with the specific score range.</p>
<p>[Ivy</a> League proves elusive for Illinois students - Chicago Tribune](<a href=“Ivy League proves elusive for Illinois students”>Ivy League proves elusive for Illinois students)</p>
<p>here you go. This should provide endless hours of amusement. Parse away.</p>
<p>Not singling out Harvard, here are the Common Data Set (2011-12) figures for the other Ivies (except Columbia who guides you to a statistical abstract that does not list SAT/ACT scores, much less break them down). </p>
<p>Penn 6% below 600 on CR and 4% below 600 re Math; ACT Composite 21% between 24-29 and 2% between 18-23.</p>
<p>Brown 8% below 600 CR and 6% below 600 M; ACT figures not broken down.</p>
<p>Dartmouth 5% below 600 CR and almost none below 600 M. ACT figures not broken down.</p>
<p>Yale insubtantial numbers below 600 in CR or M (less than 2%). ACT figures not broken down.</p>
<p>Princeton insubstantial numbers below 600 in CR or M (less than 2%). For ACT Composite 2% are at 24-29 in reading and 16% at 24-29 in math.</p>
<p>Cornell 12% below 600 in CR, 5% below 600 in math. ACT Composite 24% between 24-29, 1% between 18 - 23.</p>
<p>My 9th grade geometry class which was all one year advanced was dominated by lefties. If I remember correctly there were about ten of us and only two were right handed. We thought it was pretty weird. (I was one of the two righties.)</p>
<p>I meant 12% at Princeton between 24-29 in reading re ACT</p>
<p>I’m half very high WASP New England family dating back to the 1600s. Distant relatives have names on Harvard buildings. The other half low WASP came through Ellis Island, but though my grandfather quit school and went to work at 15, he managed to send all three boys to Harvard.</p>
<p>I have been driving around in a car with no radio in it for a few months now. Why? Because days after I decided I wasn’t going to invest one more cent* in the maintenance of my piece of crap Subaru, some nogoodniks broke into my car and stripped out the only thing of value. To wit: My stereo. So when I drive to work, I think about the songs I could be listening to. Today, the soundtrack was “First You Love Me, Then You Hate Me,” in honor of those of you who can’t sort out your feelings about the Ivy league. Here are a few of the songs, with lyrical snippets:</p>
<p>Otis Rush, “I Can’t Quit You, Baby” (some of you may know the Led Zeppelin version; me, I go to the original, penned for Rush by the great Willie Dixon)
“I can’t quit you baby, but I got to put you down a little while.”</p>
<p>Merle Haggard, “Today I Started Loving You Again”
“I got over you just long enough to let my heartache mend. And then today I started loving you again.”</p>
<p>Cole Porter, “Easy to Love”
“We’d be so grand at the game, so carefree together that it does seem a shame, that you can’t see your future with me 'cause you’d be oh so easy to love.” </p>
<p>*I did end up investing another 10,000 or so cents to fix the window.</p>
<p>mathmom, That is very interesting about your 9th grade geometry class. S1 is left handed. When he graduated from college, he first lived in a house near DC with 4 other guys (that he knew from college). All 5 of them were left handed (and I think all engineers)! It was very strange.</p>
<p>poetgirl - Illinois has three top schools in the nation. I suspect Ivies think the kids wont show up.</p>
<p>Mathmom what year was that. My brother went to Harvard-very waspy fellow-in the late 60’s and I can tell you there is absolutely no way he would be admitted today. The point here is that as Harvard has increasingly targeted cultural,racial,internationaletc.etc. admitts the big loser has been the 62% of the population that are white Christians.</p>
<p>Somewhat interesting in comparing the Princeton and Harvard common data sets. </p>
<p>Harvard has two people that got 400-499 in CR and W. And there were a couple in the bottom half of their class. And 12 people with GPA between 3.0-3.24. </p>
<p>We’ll have to add Harvard to the list of school for the Jewish B student ;-)</p>
<p>Giftedness is more common in left-handers. As are learning disabilities. Interesting, huh?</p>
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<p>Yeah, those people cannot catch a break.</p>
<p>texaspg, sure, but what about this?</p>
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<p>Of course, the Penn admissions rep admits they priveledge those in “our back yard.” Of course, so do NU and UChicago. So, there is that.</p>
<p>There you go sweet-you have summed it up very nicely. This is the attitude at those schools and amongst the admission office. It is what it is - just sayin thats what it is so others know so they don’t get their hopes up when applying.
If youre a wasp kid whose busted his butt and done everything right to get straight A’s and is brilliant because you are incredibly intellectually curious you arent going to get into Harvard but not to worry there are alot of other great schools out there.</p>
<p>My Dad and his brothers were at Harvard in the 1940s and 1950s. My brothers and I were there in the 70s. My oldest got in in 2007, my youngest didn’t get in in 2010. (We thought oldest had a very good chance and let’s just say my younger son though smart would have been setting school records for lowest GPA and SAT scores to be admitted.) Among my nieces and nephews of the ones that applied 4 out of 5 have gotten in - all WASPs.</p>
<p>Every year Harvard accepts a handful of kids from our high school - I honestly don’t know the religion of the accepted kids, but what they’ve all had in common is that they have graduated in the top 2% of the class, have great scores and have done something well beyond the usual in terms of ECs. I don’t think Harvard cares a bit about the religion of kids. And I am totally fine with a more diverse class coming at the expense of my demographic. </p>
<p>I might have been admitted today. I went to a good school, I had good grades. My CR score recentered would be an 800, Math was 740. Subject tests were in the same range. My main EC was Girl Scouts - our troop organized a huge project for whatever the then equivalent of the Gold Award was. I wrote my essay about what I learned from the project. I was also on a national advisory committee for the Girl Scouts and did things at school as well.</p>
<p>For me, it is not about catching a break, it is being honest about what is going on with regard to demographics that people care about, which I think includes religious affiliation. The entire basis of AA is to help create a diverse student body in which each group can find a critical mass of people like themselves. The demographic numbers in terms of race have been analyzed to death, but for some reason, no one wants to address religious demographics. I guarantee you that if there was infoation indicating that 25-30% of Harvard was Muslim or 7th day Adventist or even baptist, and the numbers had remained constant over decades while other demographic were changing, people would be curious to know why. Because Harvard has the luxury and authority to easily create the critical masses it wants.</p>
<p>“there are alot of other great schools out there.” You said it!</p>