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<p>At some point you might want to break down and read the article you are commenting on.</p>
<p>Texaspg - you can look it up. I may be off a point or two but I’m in the general neighborhood.</p>
<p>I am not disputing the number. I am just surprised it is so high. Makes me wonder if Asians are catching onto top LACs or they are just hiding their kids from undue infuences… :p</p>
<p>A few years old, but…
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/646598-schools-have-highest-asian-population.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/646598-schools-have-highest-asian-population.html</a></p>
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<p>Can you talk to your senators to see if they can help? IIRC top schools started giving out FA after a senator questioned why they had lots of money in the bank while so many kids couldn’t afford college? I don’t mind seeing the presidents of the Ivies answering some questions about admission policies.</p>
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<p>How do we know Case Western counts accurately as there isn’t such a way to do so.</p>
<p>I assume Case Western’s numbers are as good or bad as any other school’s. However they are counting now, they come up with the 7.5 percent figure. I gather they want more of whatever kind of student they are now counting as Jewish.</p>
<p>Large amounts of over-representation in the tail of a distribution result from only moderate differences in group means, and I think this explanation of Jewish over-representation at elite schools deserves more attention. Selective colleges do not ask for scores on IQ tests, but they are looking for smarts. The numbers below show the result of selective colleges looking for students with IQ >= 130 or IQ >= 145.</p>
<p>As I wrote in post #200, Ashkenazi Jews average about 110 on IQ tests. Assuming standard deviation of IQ of 15, an IQ of represents a Z score of 1.33 = (130-110)/15 for them and 2.00 = (130-100)/15 for other whites. Assuming IQs follow a normal distribution, this means that 9.1% of Jews and 2.3% of whites have IQs >= 130, amounting to Jewish over-representation of 4.0 = 9.1%/2.3% . For an IQ threshold of 145, the over-representation is 0.98%/0.13% = 7.3 .</p>
<p>Beliasky, while there are times I find your posts informative, this post is just giving me a headache. </p>
<p>Carry on.</p>
<p>"Large amounts of over-representation in the tail of a distribution result from only moderate differences in group means, and I think this explanation of Jewish over-representation at elite schools deserves more attention. Selective colleges do not ask for scores on IQ tests, but they are looking for smarts. The numbers below show the result of selective colleges looking for students with IQ >= 130 or IQ >= 145.</p>
<p>As I wrote in post #200, Ashkenazi Jews average about 110 on IQ tests. Assuming standard deviation of IQ of 15, an IQ of represents a Z score of 1.33 = (130-110)/15 for them and 2.00 = (130-100)/15 for other whites. Assuming IQs follow a normal distribution, this means that 9.1% of Jews and 2.3% of whites have IQs >= 130, amounting to Jewish over-representation of 4.0 = 9.1%/2.3% . For an IQ threshold of 145, the over-representation is 0.98%/0.13% = 7.3 ."</p>
<p>So give me a due-to analysis. What percent of the over representation in your opinion is due to -
A)Jews being clustered in areas where there is Ivy fever and thus bring over represented in the applicant pool;
B) Jews doing extracurriculars that somehow resonate more with adcoms;
C) an explicit bias towards them (“he is on the margin – but his name is Goldstein, so let’s admit him”)</p>
<p>If you’re going to say these things, then at least give us what you think the rationale is.</p>
<p>The fact that Vanderbilt and CW have spent money to make admissions policy changes based on the Hillel numbers gives credibility to those numbers.</p>
<p>The issue is not so much <em>why</em> are so many Jewish students qualified. I think people are willing to apply the benefit of the doubt that there are many, many, smart and accomplished Jewish students, more than could fill the entire freshman class at Harvard. But I think people know that this is true for non-Jewish students as well.</p>
<p>The question that gnaws on people is, why does Harvard continue to allow 25-30% of its student body to be composed of Jewish students (a teeny tiny cohort of American and world diversity), when it does not allow its Asian or non-Jewish student populations to grow that high, and apparently when it makes room for URMs, those spots are taken from Asians or non-Jewish Whites but not from the Jewish population?</p>
<p>The obvious answer is, “Harvard doesn’t care about religion.” I don’t think most people buy that answer, particularly in light of CW and Vanderbilt and other top colleges’ efforts to increase Jewish attendance.</p>
<p>Apparently complaining about myterious elite admissions is nothing new -
[Education:</a> Excellent & Rejected - TIME](<a href=“http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872415,00.html]Education:”>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872415,00.html)</p>
<p>I wish I had a Time subscription so I could find out where this guy went ro school. I’m not curious enough to pay however.</p>
<p>So what do you think or suspect the reason to be?</p>
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<p>I think the over-representation is mostly due to IQ, with A) and B) have smaller effects. I don’t think C) is happening. It’s not easy to separate the explanations. High-IQ people are more likely to live in places with Ivy fever.</p>
<p>I don’t have a theory other than maybe they are afraid. I think Harvard et al. need to address it though, because silence on this issue makes it grow.</p>
<p>Why does Harvard “allow?” Say what? Assuming they pick the best, what they think are the best 2000 of 35,000, doesn’t it stand to reason that any group of high performing, high achieving, highly engaged kids will end up in the finals?</p>
<p>Don’t make too much of CW and V (and another dozen small colleges) trying to increase their attractiveness to a population segment that is very bright, values education, leadership and engagement. Don’t assume “all” comon apps come in on some equal footing. No all kids “get” the CA. Remember, in holistic, it’s not all about stats. </p>
<p>Calling it IQ is another attempt to quantify.</p>
<p>Beliavsky, The IQ statistics do not explain the large Jewish enrollment at Harvard or other Ivies. Likely other factors at work such as concentration in NE, more likely to apply, lopsided verbal skills, legacy, feeder schools. Do not think there is any mass conspiracy at Ivies to admit large numbers of Jewish students. Indeed, I think the focus on Jewish students misses the more important point that Asians (not whites) generally bear the brunt of preferences for legacies/athletes/development/aff action.</p>
<p>The area of Jewish IQ has attracted quite a bit of research since my review in 1994 . . . Richard Lynns work is exemplary: Lynn finds that Ashkenazi Jews in Britain and the US have average IQs of 110.7 and 110.4 respectively, and I am happy to accept those figures.</p>
<p>Assuming those averages, then one would expect there would be 4 times the proportion of Jews with >130 IQ and 6 times the proportion of Jews with >145 IQ. As Lynn notes, this goes some way to explaining Jewish overrepresentation among academic elites in the US and Britain (by factors of 7.0 and 7.6 respectively) and among winners of Nobel prizes (by factors of 8.0 and 12.3 respectively).</p>
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<p>For example, even correcting for IQ, Jews are massively overrepresented at Ivy League universities compared to Whites. In 1998, Jews represented around 2533% of Harvard undergraduates compared to around 25% non-Jewish Whites. In 2000 the Jewish population was around 3% of the non-Hispanic White population. On the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio was at most 1 to 1. But even this may underestimate the gap because it’s hard to believe that all Harvard students have at least an IQ of 130.</p>
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<p>Really? Perhaps at least the vast majority of them?</p>
<p>Afraid of what, Bay? I feel like there is something you want to say but you’re not quite spitting it out.</p>
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<p>You are a tease, bovertine.</p>
<p>Since I’m also unwilling to pay for the subscription, I’m going to finish the story for myself. I say he commuted to the University of Colorado at Denver, did his “homework” over dinners of Twinkies in his mom’s basement and went on to a career selling novelty items to big box stores. No one could move wind-up chattering teeth like he could. He retired a few years ago in Sun City, with his wife, dog and golf cart. He never got over the wound to his pride from Swarthmore’s “terse” rejection letter, and quickly abandoned his aspirations of a career teaching philosophy at the undergraduate level. But every now and then, according to his work associates, you’d find him in a Walmart break room trying to get a fight going on the question of whether Spinoza was a pantheist or an atheist.</p>
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ROTFL.</p>
<p>Now I can leave to take my car to the mechanic. He’s going to be wondering what I’m laughing about. Of course, maybe my mechanic went to Swarthmore but took up auto repair to make some actual money. Better yet, maybe he has a subscription to Time.</p>