<p>Maybe afraid of saying that the Jewish students are most of the full-pay students, or afraid of talking about religion, because people get defensive and angry when it is brought up. Or afraid of saying that Jewish applicants have higher IQs, or that non-Jewish Whites are lazy or don’t care about education, as was stated on this thread. I don’t know. I’d prefer not to believe that it is because they want to preference Jewish students. I think there are reasons other than that, but that is what some others conclude when it is not addressed.</p>
<p>This thread is starting to creep me out a bit…</p>
<p>Here’s the question of the day: what are posters here afraid of, vis-a-vis Harvard’s selectivity?</p>
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<p>Yeah, ya think? I’m going to stop reading it since I already showered today.</p>
<p>A change of direction in the conversation … but reflecting on all the thoughts and theories about the “corrupt” Ivy admissions process.</p>
<p>The Ivies have employed hundreds of admissions counselors over the years and over the last 40 years or so how many have gone public with the terrible practices of the schools? To use one example, if there was an Asian quota wouldn’t you think at least one of these folks would go public with the information. There is nothing stopping anyone from going public and actually there is an incentive ($$$s from selling the story) to go public … and yet no one has gone public among the hundreds of admissions workers. While I think the admissions folks are far from perfect the concerns about conspiracies about sub-groups just doesn’t ring true for me.</p>
<p>What is creepy about it? Those are pretty rude comments if you don’t explain yourself.</p>
<p>Good Lord jym, you have so many reputation boxes it looks like they are starting to run out of dark green pixels for the last couple.</p>
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<p>Bay, I know you don’t intend this, but the whole angle of discussing this is just not palatable to some of us. That’s all. I don’t think you are anti-semitic, but it tends to just feel like it could end up there. Nothing personal.</p>
<p>I understand, poetgrl. I think your feelings are exactly why this does not get discussed. And not discussing it is what perpetuates the suspicion. That was my point.</p>
<p>Oh, I’m sure you are right, and yet, there are others with different agendas than yours, and I think that is what really makes the conversation impossible. fwiw.</p>
<p>From what I can recall, pretty much everyone has been bashed one way or another here on CC. Asians get a lot of it, conservatives, Catholics, URMs, athletes, you name it. I think peoples’ impressions of others are valuable, even if untrue, and discussing those impressions allows us an opportunity to correct them. Shutting down discussion doesn’t help anyone.</p>
<p>Yay, poetgrl finally said it: all this talk about “the Jewish problem” sometimes causes us to wonder what’s behind it. Same for assumptions about Blacks or Asians, athletes, kids from IL. Anyone can coil it in some research they found online, some quote, some anecdote- it can still appear to be a fixation.</p>
<p>We don’t get everything we want in life. We don’t get everything we work toward or feel we deserve. I tell my kids “wanting doesn’t make it so.” </p>
<p>Right now, the early results for Columbia are on a thread. If you look at the (self-reported by a willing group) results, you will see all sorts of impressive kids got accepted/rejected/deferred.</p>
<p>None of us knows the whole story, the rest of what those kids put out in the apps. As for how “discussing those impressions allows us an opportunity to correct them,” I don’t see anyone backing down from their early-stated beliefs that there’s something fishy going on.</p>
<p>Gawd, after we tire of fretting and speculating that WnJ kids are being butted out, what group will it be next?</p>
<p>What’s behind it is obvious to me. Everyone wants to think they are being a given a fair shot at the <em>prize,</em> which on this site is obviously elite universities. If something looks unfair about admissions, they want an explanation. Certainly <em>some</em> people have an evil motive and others are paranoid. For the vast majority here, we just want to know why things are the way they are, and when the questions are not answered in a concrete way, what are we supposed to think about it?</p>
<p>There are two threads for Columbia, one with results (4 pages long) and one with discussion (75 pages long). The discussion thread has turned vitriolic because one URM has been accepted with 1890 while there are candidates with 2390 who have been rejected (wanna guess what type?).</p>
<p>^^^Unitarians?</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-university/1426064-official-columbia-university-class-2017-ed-results-only.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-university/1426064-official-columbia-university-class-2017-ed-results-only.html</a></p>
<p>T, last night, I went through and looked at “ethnicity” for those kds. nothing jumped out at me as unfair.</p>
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My Hanukkah present to bovertine: Carlton</p>
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<p>I don’t know whether this is happening, but I could see a scenario where an admissions officer might say:“Andrew Wang? No, we don’t need another Asian in the mix.”</p>
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<p>I can’t overlook the fact that Asians look different and they get noticed; whereas a Jewish person could easily blend in. And maybe they don’ want the vibe of their campus to be too many Asians. Isn’t that one of the complaints about the California schools?</p>
<p>This article tells us that race, color, connection & money plays a role during the admission process. One of the options is to start identifying every application by a number and stop disclosing any personal information. Otherwise, going forward parents can give a name to suit a college admission process such as a jewish/black/hispanic name to get their kids into college as well as workforce.</p>