<p>This thread is dead. I am going to start patronizing a new thread.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1428640-ivies-asians-new-jews-american-enterprise-blog.html?highlight=asian[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1428640-ivies-asians-new-jews-american-enterprise-blog.html?highlight=asian</a></p>
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<p>If this thread is dead, it has more zombies than you’ll find on The Walking Dead!</p>
<p>Hunt and Wind Cloud Ultra,</p>
<p>Thanks for the corrections. Here is a link to the probe this year at Harvard which ended after the complaint was withdrawn. </p>
<p>[Harvard</a> Asian-American discrimination probe ends - College, Inc. - The Washington Post](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/college-inc/post/harvard-asian-american-discrimination-probe-ends/2012/02/22/gIQA8LNiTR_blog.html]Harvard”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/college-inc/post/harvard-asian-american-discrimination-probe-ends/2012/02/22/gIQA8LNiTR_blog.html)</p>
<p>I didn’t think it was a given that the decision in the Fisher case would have an effect on private schools. Legal experts: What say you? I know muckdogs07 has done a lot of reading and research on the subject, but I’ve also heard people in the know say the impact on privates would likely be minimal. Perspectives?</p>
<p>Wait till Texas decision comes out.</p>
<p>what do you think the decision will be? When is it expected?</p>
<p>I can’t wait. Whatever happens, the fights around here are going to be AWEsome.</p>
<p>I know, right? :p</p>
<p>supremes heard the case. I wonder if they release them soon or wait until June. How do they normally handle cases heard in Oct/Nov timeframe?</p>
<p>What is interesting about the Texas case is that it is about a piddly number of seats for which UT wanted to use “holistic” process to meet instibutional needs outside of strict numbers (top 8%) and sports. I think they are using about 10% of the seats or less. Someone posted the case file on CC a while ago and all their notes came from Harvard and Yale methodologies and how they claim the selection process is far more advantageous for a good student body. So if Texas wins, Ivies win and if Texas loses, let the games begin.</p>
<p>Well, I don’t really know how it will work. I don’t think the supreme court is going to tell the ivies they “have to” use test scores, or something like that. I’m sure they will make sure to protect all of their Ivy alma maters from the rules for the hoi paloi. No?</p>
<p>But, it should be interesting on here, regardless of how it turns out.</p>
<p>From a summary: Fisher fell short of the top 10% threshold …grade point average of 3.59… and was in the top 12% of her class…scored 1180 on her SAT…the 25th and 75th percentiles of the incoming class at UT-Austin were 1120 and 1370. She was involved in the orchestra and math competitions and volunteered at Habitat for Humanity. </p>
<p>If you feel like digging in, this is interesting: [The</a> Fisher argument in Plain English : SCOTUSblog](<a href=“The Fisher argument in Plain English - SCOTUSblog”>The Fisher argument in Plain English - SCOTUSblog) It includes observations and is worth reading to the end, for its perspective.</p>
<p>It’s not that easy to prove discrimination. Because we’re talking about thousands of kids, how a pool starts to balance out, and annual potential changes, there really isn’t (imo) an easy comparison of two “nth kids.”</p>
<p>Texaspg- how did the auto target evolve from top 10% to 8%? Is it a shift in gross numbers of seniors?</p>
<p>It’s not easy to prove discrimination - or even to judge if there’s really a problem here - without more transparency into the admission process. </p>
<p>Should we be outraged that Cornell only has 5% African American enrollment? How would we know without more insight into the numbers? (How many AA applications does Cornell get? What are their average qualifications? If the application numbers or the average qualifications are low, what is Cornell doing to drive up the numbers?) </p>
<p>Someone suggested that the Asian numbers have plateaued at a level determined by the number of science majors these schools can absorb. That sounds plausible … but how would one verify this without public access to more information about the applicants? If Brown isn’t getting enough Korean sociology majors, what efforts has Brown University made to address this problem?</p>
<p>The Ivy League colleges seem to be evolving into finishing schools for investment bankers. We should care particularly about the Ivies because (unlike Sweet Briar College) they provide unique entre into a few command centers of national wealth and power. So there is a compelling national interest in full public transparency into their application processes. How do we make that happen? To build a case like Fisher, doesn’t College Confidential have standing?</p>
<p>Seriously, if we’re going to discuss compelling national interests, wouldn’t it be more important to discuss the disproportionate impact of the banking industry on the economy rather than Ivy League schools’ allegedly disproportionate role in anointing future I-bankers? I don’t want to turn this thread political, but I am confident that if you consider the compelling interests of our nation, getting a full accounting of how the Ivy League composes its entering classes is not near the top of the list.</p>
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<p>If Harvard is discriminating against Asian-Americans, it is doing so for its own institutional reasons and does not need to conspire with Yale. I don’t think Asian-Americans are being made to feel unwelcome and think the spending on “support services” in general has become excessive.</p>
<p>Harvard has student groups supported by mandatory student activity fees that include the</p>
<p>Asian American Association
Asian American Brotherhood
Asian American Christian Fellowship
Asian American Dance Troupe
Asian American Women’s Association
South Asian Association
South Asian Dance Company
South Asian Men’s Collective</p>
<p>Whites who proposed a White Association would be demonized. I don’t think race-specific student groups should be recognized, but groups that focus on learning about a culture, such as the South Asian Dance Company, are fine, as long as they are open to everyone.</p>
<p>Huh, so then it’s pretty hard to say that Harvard doesn’t “welcome” Asians. Just another absence of the smoking gun that supposedly they don’t want “too many” of them.</p>
<p>LF - UT went to the State Govt and asked them to change their 10% number because they were filling up 80% or more seats with the auto admits and as a flagship, they needed flexibility to mold their student body in order to compete with the top institutes in the nation. So in September of each year, they determine the cut off percentage for next year and for next year it is at 7%. They want to allow 75% auto admits.</p>
<p>They have 10% or more OOS and International who pay a 250% premium on tuition (35k vs 10k), athletes and then some holistic admits who take up the rest of the seats.</p>
<p>[Automatic</a> Admission | Be a Longhorn](<a href=“http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/freshmen/after-you-apply/automatic-admission]Automatic”>http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/freshmen/after-you-apply/automatic-admission)</p>
<p>Thanks for the link lookingforward … it was a very interesting read.</p>
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That appears to be a different probe than the Jian Li probe.</p>
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<p>QTF.</p>
<p>There is wide applicability to any institution taking Federal money. </p>
<p>Either they can come up with another cockamamie scheme to achieve their illicit ends, go become like Hillsdale and not accept Federal fund of any type.</p>
<p>^^^So says you, argbargy. Tell it to the judge.</p>