<p>no, it means that unless you're huntsman or m+t, your wharton workload won't be as bad as an engineering or premed workload</p>
<p>Loved muerteapablo’s response here since it was reassuring. Do you know that for a fact, or is that just a rough guess? I’ve got a 3.96, 2260 SAT’s, and plan on writing a good essay and it would be great to know that I’ve actually got a very good shot, haha.</p>
<p>The transfers that I knew well enough to eventually talk about SATs with (admittedly a silly conversation for college students to have) all had SATs in the 2150-2360 range, with most in the middle (around 2250).</p>
<p>Many students had transferred from middle-upper tier colleges, like Vanderbilt, Rice, Georgetown, UChicago, and had been on top at those colleges - for whatever reason, they had been snubbed by the Ivies the first time around.
Then there were a couple from either ends of the spectrum - 1 or 2 from Brown, Dartmouth, and Columbia, and a couple from UT Austin, UCLA, Michigan, etc.</p>
<p>M528: I know three people who have successfully transferred from nursing to the college. I know four people that have successfully transferred from engineering to the college. I know absolutely no one who has gotten into engineering or Wharton FROM the college.</p>
<p>you don’t know anyone who’s gotten into wharton from the college (or engineering)?</p>
<p>don’t worry, i know plenty</p>
<p>You can only transfer once – if you’re coming to Penn from another school, you can’t then internally transfer to another school within Penn.</p>
<p>The #1 thing that will be asked by an adcom evaluating your transfer app: “Would this applicant have gotten into this school had they applied as a freshman?” They will take that information (yes/no) and compare this against your performance in college. If you would have been canned as an incoming though, this doesn’t mean you’d be denied if your college record was comparatively stellar at a harder school. Most students who transfer to Wharton, for instance, have near-4.0’s in both undergrad and college.</p>
<p>As for the treatment, nobody treats you differently for being a transfer. People are switching majors all the time at Penn, so being a transfer is just another means to an end.</p>
<p>The #1 thing that will be asked by an adcom evaluating your transfer app: “Would this applicant have gotten into this school had they applied as a freshman?”</p>
<p>would it make a difference if (as a transfer) you were waitlisted as a freshman applicant rather than flat out denied?</p>
<p>thegong4591: I honestly don’t know, but I would be inclined to think that it would be taken into account. If you were waitlisted but then kicked ass in college since then, I’d say you’d have just as good a chance as any.</p>
<p>Not a transfer, but FWIW, from the two transfers I know well…</p>
<p>To them, it really seemed to be a huge deal socially and they made friends with no issues. TBH, the school is huge so meeting new people <em>who just happen to be transfers</em> isn’t a big deal. It isn’t like you are in a class of 200, where everyone more or less already knows each other. </p>
<p>As for ECs, a lot of people don’t get super-involved until sophomore year, so you’re probably still fine…The only real things I can see problems are the performing arts-which are difficult for everyone and have low acceptance rates. Still, I don’t think you’d be discriminated against-it’s just that the slots they have open for new students are very few.</p>
<p>yes, you would. I know many people who have. Nursing isn’t for everyone, and they understand that.</p>
<p>Adding to what Muerte said, just like doing college apps in high school, when doing transfer apps, colleges still care a lot about what else (besides grades and SAT scores) that you can bring to the table. For example, a soccer player from the University of Chicago recently transferred to UPenn, and I’m assuming his ability in soccer was an influential factor in getting this candidate admitted. You can read this kid’s bio here:</p>
<p>[Alex</a> Takakuwa bio - PennAthletics.com—The Official Website of University of Pennsylvania Athletics](<a href=“http://www.pennathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=10672&SPID=604&DB_OEM_ID=1700&ATCLID=1554750&Q_SEASON=2009]Alex”>http://www.pennathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=10672&SPID=604&DB_OEM_ID=1700&ATCLID=1554750&Q_SEASON=2009)</p>
<p>This kid actually emerged as one of Penn Soccer’s best players this year, so I’m sure Division I soccer was both a reason for the kid transferring and a considerable boon in his ability to transfer successfully. </p>
<p>Also, I’m going to differ a bit from what muerte said on one other point: there’s sort of a sliding scale that applies with transfer applicants. What I mean is, the stronger an applicant’s original choice in college, the more the transfer applicant’s REASONS for transferring matter. So, for example, average students at Penn’s direct peer schools, such as Chicago or Duke or Brown or whatever, would be compelling candidates and would need to focus a lot on demonstrating why going to UPenn is important to them. These kids probably already have the SAT scores and high school grades or what not, so fit is key here. Also, again, coming from one of Penn’s peers, absolute top undergrad grades aren’t really necessary. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if you’re applying from “lesser” schools (such as large state schools, less rigorous LACs, etc.), you’d need TOP GRADES along with a compelling reason to attend Penn. I’m sure kids from Duke, Chicago, Brown, etc. transfer to Penn with more middling college transcripts, but they’ve already attended one of Penn’s peers, so the admissions committee can be a bit more forgiving with their college transcript. If you’re at a “lesser” school, the undergrad transcript then matters more. </p>
<p>From my undergrad experience at Chicago, I knew a couple of kids who transferred to UPenn. They were pretty average students at Chicago, so I’m assuming they wound up being pretty average when placed in another similar student body. All of the kids who I knew that transferred from Chicago to ANYWHERE (be it Yale or a large state U) ALWAYS had a compelling reason to attend the new school. The two kids who transferred to Penn were from the Phila area and also wanted to study more practical subjects (like take communications classes) that Chicago just couldn’t offer. So I think they wrote about that, and the Penn admissions office focused most on FIT rather than anything else when evaluating their app. Now, if these students had been applying from a lesser school instead of one of Penn’s peers, the undergraduate transcript prolly would’ve mattered more. As far as I know though, these two ex-Chicago undergrads had a pretty seamless transfer app process.</p>
<p>So, overall, in your transfer app, focusing on presenting a compelling reason for wanting to transfer to UPenn, and ALSO see if there’s anything concrete you can add to the student body (be it a skill in a sport, skill with an instrument, etc.).</p>
<p>One other note - at least when I was in undergrad, certain schools were more “transfer friendly” than others. So, Northwestern or Duke or Penn, with generally larger student bodies were more amenable to transfers (especially from peer schools) whereas Yale and Columbia and Dartmouth were notoriously difficult (with smaller student bodies, less slots for transfer students, just generally because they were more selective, etc.).</p>
<p>Now, maybe this has changed now, but I’d think that Duke, Penn, and Northwestern probably have transfer accept rates that are at least double what you’d find at Yale or Columbia or Harvard. Of course, all the rates have dropped, but I’m assuming that Yale or Columbia maybe take 3-5% of their transfer apps, whereas a UPenn or Duke take at LEAST double that.</p>
<p>Oh, one other note, I think muerteapablo was a bit too discerning when discussing who Penn’s “peers” are in the transfer game. I think, from the Penn admissions committee’s perspective looking at a transfer app, schools like Rice and Georgetown would be seen as peer schools. This means that these schools attract a very similar type of student as UPenn, recruit nationally, have a very diverse student body, etc. So not having tippy-top grades at these schools won’t hurt a transfer applicant too much, as long as the reason for fit is sound. </p>
<p>In terms of actual peers outside the transfer app game, Georgetown, Emory, etc. probably aren’t Penn’s “true” peers. What I mean is, in terms of academic clout, wealth, and general standing, these schools probably aren’t on Penn’s level. Again, I’d see Penn’s true peers as places such as Duke, Chicago, maybe Columbia (but Columbia’s location tends to trump it over so many of these other schools). </p>
<p>Nevertheless, for the sake of admissions, Penn, Georgetown, Emory, Rice, etc. pretty much all get roughly the same sort of students, so I think Penn admissions officials would be more forgiving with an undergrad transcript from Rice or Gtown. Again, to specify, these places aren’t Penn’s “true” peers, but from the standpoint of admissions, these schools are all roughly peers.</p>
<p>ilovebagels, you rule. Not only is a Wharton curriculum boring, but it’s extremely limiting. Why would a 17-year old decide to pidgeonhole oneself by going to Wharton? There are so many things to explore in college. Why eliminate most of the human condition and the universe from one’s studies in college? Wait, I know the answer: the hope that the pre-2008 economy will re-emerge, and Wharton graduates will make piles of money once again–a goal I really don’t understand.</p>
<p>Cue7 is basically on the money, although I would submit that transfer admissions has changed at Penn since he/she attended UChicago.</p>
<p>At any rate, for the precise transfer numbers: they fluctuate much more than normal acceptance rate. Penn takes between 10-13% depending on the year, Columbia takes 7-10%, and Brown and Dartmouth take about the same. Yale takes about 5%. Harvard USED to take around 8%, but they stopped accepting transfers 2 years ago. I believe Cornell takes around 30%, although it’s unclear if this includes so-called “guaranteed transfers”.</p>
<p>The numbers are deceiving, however, and don’t have much to do with actual selectivity as much as fit, just as Cue7 indicated. A number of Penn transfers who were accepted to Brown, for example, had lower scores/GPAs than some transfers who were rejected - but they had very compelling reasons. The same was true of Columbia acceptees. I didn’t meet any Dartmouth kids, presumably because Dartmouth and Penn are such different communities, although perhaps it was simply chance.</p>
<p>“I believe Cornell takes around 30%, although it’s unclear if this includes so-called “guaranteed transfers”.”</p>
<p>As always, at Cornell admissions odds should be evaluated by college.
This is the available information, compute for yourself:
<a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000156.pdf[/url]”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000156.pdf</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately, I’m told these #s do indeed include guaranteed transfers,and there are a lot of them at the contract colleges. For example, someone posted that only 1/3 of the 61 accepted transfers to Hum Ec were new external applicants.</p>
<p>I think people would be interested in seeing the equivalent Penn transfer statistics, by college.</p>
<p>Anyone know how much emphasis they place on the standardized tests? I plan on doing well in college (4.0 if I could) but my ACT is only 31.</p>
<p>Significa - that depends - where are you going to college, and how competitive were you as a high school student? Generally, for the transfer process, your undergrad transcript matters more, and the admissions office generally wants to see that your hs grades and SAT/ACT scores were generally in line with their student body. Again, if you can get good recs and show that you can ADD something to the college you want to transfer too, that’ll be key (as long as your grades, scores etc are generally in line).</p>
<p>Again, going back to my example above, the kid that transferred from Chicago to Penn had soccer going for him - and I think that was a big factor in the ultimate decision on his file. I’m assuming he really wanted to play Division I soccer, and he could talk about that in his personal statement. The admissions office cares about how a potential transfer student can contribute to the new school.</p>
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<p>So now, ilovebagels, as a 23 year old has decided to apply to b school despite he thought Wharton’s curriculum was boring ! He is going to pay an additional $160K and 2 years
of forgone income. Worth it?</p>
<p>^ Cbreeze, problem with that is, most wharton undergrads are ALSO going to wind up in grad school at some point in the future. I think as much as 40% of Wharton undergrads get their MBAs eventually, and probably 60-70% get a grad degree of some sort. </p>
<p>There was a thread on this before, and someone had the grad school stats for Wharton ug up. Check that, but basically, LOTS of wharton kids ALSO go back to get an mba/jd/ma etc.</p>
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Here’s what Wharton has to say about that (at least regarding MBAs):</p>
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<p>[Wharton</a> Top 10](<a href=“http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/UnderGrad/Experience/Wharton-Top-10.htm]Wharton”>http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/UnderGrad/Experience/Wharton-Top-10.htm)</p>
<p>And here are the Wharton Undergraduate Career Surveys for the last 5 graduating classes and for alumni, for anyone who wants to analyze them (go for it, Cue7!):</p>
<p>[Career</a> Services, University of Pennsylvania](<a href=“http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys.html]Career”>http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys.html)</p>
<p>After an extremely cursory review, it seemed to me that MOST Wharton undergrads do NOT eventually go back for a graduate degree.</p>