<p>Somebody needs to go dictionary.com stereotype. Yes by acknowledging the fact that a stereotype exists I’m saying that all Cornell students are the same. </p>
<p>I find it amusing that someone as old as you really needs to pick a fight with a high school senior. You give maturity a whole new meaning. </p>
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<p>Another excellent deduction. Its like you can read my mind! I’d definitely give up four years of quality education at a top university to not be branded by some meaningless stereotype.</p>
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<p>If its not social skills what is it? Quite frankly I’d rather have some socially awkward person with a 40 mcat and 4.0 treat me than a socially adept person with a 35 mcat and a 3.7… If the purpose of a doctor is to treat or cure his patient then having a more knowledgeable and intelligent doctor is advantageous. Who cares about his social skills? People sometimes are happy when they learn that their doctor is kind of socially inept. It gives them good assurance that he is probably smart. Again not always true (I feel that I have to say this after every generalization in order to prevent flamers from flaming) </p>
<p>And AnbuItachi I don’t mean to be disrespectful but you seem to be laughing off the whole “I didn’t get into any med school with a 3.9 and 36 mcat” I’m not calling you out or anything but care to explain?</p>
<p>There must have been a red flag in your app and if it wasn’t social skills it’s something else.</p>
<p>Anbu would it be fair to say that you probably regret going to cornell? Or would you say the experience was worth it? despite the unfortunate ending.</p>
<p>What makes you think that AnbuItachi’s career is “ended” after one unfortunate – and temporary – setback? Also, why do you feel the need to drag up old posts more-or-less negative to Cornell University? You’d think as a prospective student that you would be just as interested in the more common positive Cornell threads. …and, were you really accepted to Cornell(?), as I’ve become completely skeptical about that – you post much more like a disgruntled rejectee.</p>
<p>“…needs to pick a fight”
Perhaps you are fighting. I am trying to help you.
You think there is some sort of unflaterring stereotype associated with being a Cornell student. People who actually want to go to Cornell think there is a flattering stereotype associated with being a Cornell student. You do not think highly of Cornell, or perceive others don’t, why would anyone subject themselves to a perception of being stereotyped in an unflattering manner?</p>
<p>Clearly Cornell is not the best fit for you.</p>
I know many people who are into anime and not one of them isn’t awkward in real life so I couldn’t care less whether you were joking on a forum. In my life my deduction proves accurate 100 times out of 100 so I’ll firmly stand by that advice. I come from a place of relative authority on this thread as a Cornell senior who’s a pre-med and has had interviewing experience. You on the other hand, despite your good intentions, have absolutely nothing to offer as a snarky high school student who hasn’t spent a single day much less a single minute in college.<br>
Well then quite frankly, you’re remarkably stupid. There is much much more to life and more to what goes into making a wise, intelligent human than two numbers. (And hilariously enough, the two sets of numbers you posted aren’t at all significantly different.)
Dead wrong once again. There are countless studies showing how doctors who smile, are sociable, and have great bedside manner are far less likely to be sued for malpractice. The meek, socially inept doctors that you so vehemently champion are the ones getting reamed in malpractice court.</p>
<p>This is besides the point. This doesn’t mean they are good doctors. It just means they are good at covering their asses. </p>
<p>“countless studies” - I don’t doubt this but you should get in the habit of posting these studies if you are going to mention them.</p>
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<p>I don’t disagree. But my point was that I’d rather have a wiser intelligent doctor than a socially adept one who is not as intelligent and wise. </p>
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<p>No need to get personal. A real doctor would understand my inexperience and wouldn’t mock me by calling me stupid. Its a good thing you won’t become a real doctor.</p>
<p>You really have no idea what being a doctor entails.</p>
<p>75% of the diagnosis is arrived at by taking a good history. 15% with the physical exam. Labs and imaging contribute only 10% towards the diagnosis. </p>
<p>The ability to elicit a good history is entirely dependent on your social skills. Do you think people like talking about their STD’s or their rectal bleeding or their breast mass? If you don’t get a good history, you have not done your job as a physician. You have to make the patients realize they can trust you with the most intimate details of their lives.</p>
<p>The same with the physical exam. It’s all about making the patient feel comfortable. Otherwise, why would a lady let me perform a vaginal exam? Or a guy let me perform a rectal exam? </p>
<p>On our 3rd year evaluations, we are graded on 8 categories, only two of which have to do with knowledge and clinical reasoning. The other 6 categories assess our attitude, our patient report, our presentation skills, our initiative, the quality of our documentation and notes. Those are the exact things that are assessed during the medical school application process. it’s quite possible to be smart but still fail miserably at those other factors.</p>
<p>Well I can’t argue with that. If you can make a good argument (like the guy above me) I’ll admit I’m wrong. I much rather hear that than some guy calling me stupid.</p>
<p>Getting into med school is a total craphshoot. Friend of mine got a 4.0 from UC irvine and a 44 on the MCAT and got into only 1 med school. Granted it is Harvard, however she had 13 interviews and got into only one school. Its gotta be a lot of luck.</p>
<p>Getting into med school is hard. It’s for the best of the best. There’s no other application process that requires you to be good in so many areas (academics, social skills, EC’s, essays, interviewing skills, volunteering, research, clinical experience, etc.).</p>
<p>But, if you think getting into med school is hard, wait till you try succeeding in med school Nothing like working from 4 AM to 7:30PM at the hospital, coming home and still having to read for at least another hour.</p>
<p>And this topic isn’t necessarily a negative aspect of only Cornell its more of the medical process in general. Also in order to make the right decision in attending Cornell I find it necessary to focus on both the pros and cons. By bringing up some of the cons I hope to also see some pros. I want to see arguments in favor for Cornell. I want to see people turn some of the cons into pros or tell me that they really aren’t cons to begin with. I really do ( as long as they are legit). Unfortunately people like monydad are obstructing this process. They get offended when I bring up something negative and tell me to go to some other university. A lot of prospective engineers and premeds that I met at cornell were having some of the same doubts that I have. By bringing them out into the open and focusing on them I hope that we can make a lot of kids make the right decision. </p>
<p>And nothing on this forum is verifiable. For all I know monydad is some high schooler trying to act like some wise old man…I could careless if you think I’m a rejectee. </p>
<p>“Perhaps you are fighting. I am trying to help you.”</p>
<p>And yet you follow all my posts and criticize me every chance u get. You even point out my grammar mistakes and constantly mock me… ur useless (seriously stop following my posts, you’re like a virtual stalker)…</p>
<p>You said that patient history is extremely important in curing or treating a patient. If the patient needs a socializing doctor in order to properly give information to the doctor wouldn’t that be the patients fault and not the doctors? </p>
<p>If a patient X was prompted for his medical history by a socially awkward doctor: something like do u have any STDs… and he felt uncomfortable with sharing that kind of info then thats the patient’s problem… Now I can see an argument that would say that the doctor should compensate for the patient’s ignorance but theres only so much a doctor can do. he can prescribe the medicine for a cure… if the patient doesn’t take it… its the patients fault!</p>
<p>Now lets say patient X was then prompted for his history by a sociable doctor and he readily provided the proper information. However the sociable doctor was unable to come up with a correct diagnosis. Patient X was left untreated. </p>
<p>So now say Patient B was prompted for his medical history and he had the same exact illness as patient X. Patient B is not as shy and understands that his wellness is dependent on how willing he is to cooperate. When the socially awkward doctor prompts him for his history he has no problem with sharing all of his past information. The socially awkward doctor then is able to make a diagnosis because he is more knowledgeable than the sociable doctor and read about that specific case in some journal/textbook or something. </p>
<p>Patient B gives his info to the sociable doctor and once again the sociable doctor fails to come up with a diagnosis because he is not as knowledgeable.</p>
<p>Now for those scenarios I described above isnt the socially awkward but more knowledgeable doctor a better doctor?</p>
<p>And please I’m trying to understand this so theres no need for ppl to reply belligerently.</p>
<p>Okay… your previous post regarding AnbuItachi can easily be misinterpreted.
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<p>With respect to the veracity of cc posters you wrote:
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<p>Okay… for all I know you are an 8th grader pretending to be a Cornell pre-frosh acceptee. As for monydad, having followed his posts for three years I would bet 5000 bucks that he is exactly as he appears from his posts – a Cornell undergrad alum who went on to get advanced degrees at other colleges; and, he is today the proud father of a smart Cornellian who is about to graduate this May.</p>
<p>As with anything else in life, if it’s something you enjoy, the time flies right by and the hard work doesn’t seem so hard. For me, it’s far more painful to do something I don’t enjoy, even if it’s supposedly easier.</p>
<p>Well said norcalguy. There are perks at the end, but it’s grueling to get there, and unless you enjoy and believe in what you’re doing, you’ll never make it.</p>
<p>@Johny1, I may not be 100% right on this, but once you are a doctor I don’t think (in most cases) the diagnosis is unusually hard. What I mean is, if a patient comes in with an STD, there not going to be like “I don’t feel good”, there going to say “I have warts in…” or “there’s a rash on my…”. Most doctors will then get them tested for an STD. Say is was an EXTREMELY socially awkward doctor they might have a hard time telling them and they might not feel comfortable, but if they came in they will end up telling them. The purpose (I think) of having a doctor who’s good in social situations is so that they can make the patient feel better, explain what they have in a clear way, and if they have to, give bad news.</p>
<p>Sorry if I kind of rambled on (I didn’t really have a clear point when I started writing), but the basic idea is, all doctors will be able to diagnose most cases (in their field), but the purpose of a socially competent doctor is to comfort the patient.</p>
<p>so i think we can conclude that a socially awkward smart doctor is better in certain scenarios and a sociable not as smart doctor is preferable in others…</p>
Nothing like working from 4 AM to 7:30PM at the hospital, coming home and still having to read for at least another hour.</p>