<p>@SwaggyC - Your interpretation of the “vibe” has nothing to do with the fact that, like I said before, no one described cheaters as scum bags. Find a post by any user who was against cheating and see if scum bag was ever used. </p>
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<p>Yeah, ok. We are just talking about ethics and morals. Gotcha. There’s no disdain towards cheaters at all in this thread.</p>
<p>Also, your straw man argument about kidnapping and grand theft is silly. I refuse justify it with a rebuttal.</p>
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<p>I didn’t only mean cheaters, but some cheaters are self-satisfied and smug about it, so they annoy me. The cheating itself doesn’t bother me nearly as much as people who go around saying cheating isn’t wrong. I’m a moral failure in a lot of ways and I don’t go around trying to say stuff isn’t wrong just because I’ve done it (except when I do). </p>
<p>Also, if someone’s doing something unethical, why shouldn’t there be some disdain toward them? A lot of the reason people sometimes avoid unethical behavior is that they might face social disapproval. (Unfortunately, “society” doesn’t always have the greatest sense of ethics, so there’s often social disapproval for things that aren’t actually unethical and vice versa, but I think cheating is actually unethical and it’s fine with me if people avoid it because they’re afraid of being caught or having people think less of them. Of course, cheating on a test in school is pretty tame compared to all the horrible things you could possibly do, so obviously cheaters shouldn’t be disdained and vilified forever as if they were serial killers or something. The disdain I have for cheaters as a whole is a lot greater than the disdain I’d have toward any single person who told me they cheated.) I don’t think anyone’s saying cheaters are somehow fundamentally evil outside of the cheating. Right now we’re getting pretty close to “you’re being too hateful toward cheaters; therefore cheating isn’t all that bad” and that’s silly.</p>
<p>“I don’t know if you yourself are a repeat offender when it comes to cheating - if so, I don’t really care - but don’t try to glamorize cheating to conceal flaws in your character”-preamble1776</p>
<p>I do not understand why you assume that I have flaws in my character. I presented an argument that you can refute, but statements like these convey that you lack a tenable argument. </p>
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<p>Well, preamble likened people who cheated to people who did terrible things, like kidnapping and theft. It’s good to see one of you two is reasonable.</p>
<p>@immasenior - Keep cheating; I’m not your mother or your teacher, why would I care if you risk your ass for every quiz and test because you refuse to study, LOL. Go ahead. Be my guest. Neither you nor your friend have done much to convince me that cheating is of any merit - in fact, the way you so vehemently insist that cheating is in fact good speaks volumes about who you are. Good day.</p>
<p>@preamble have you read the thread?</p>
<p>Have I claimed to be a frequent cheater?
Have I claimed that cheating is of merit?
Have I claimed that cheating is good?</p>
<p>The answer to all of these is “no”. Do keep up.</p>
<p>I honestly believe that it depends on the situation. Overall, I think cheating isn’t desirable since it just hurts the person cheating and the people around them.</p>
<p>I personally don’t cheat, because it just hurts me in the end and I think it is crappy when other people do it. </p>
<p>My rules about cheating are the following:
- Never tattle tale on those doing it. It is their own business and it hurts them the most. Unless it directly affects a large portion of people, it isn’t my business.
- If you do cheat, you are only hurting yourself. I’d rather get an F and let the burn sink in than get a fake A.
- For people who do cheat, I tell them just make sure that in the end they make up for it. Like if you cheat on a chapter test, make sure you end up earning an A on the final. </p>
<p>I realize some people are in bad situations where they have no other choice. What does drive me insane are people that constantly cheat as a way to get by, like built their lives around it, and really don’t care either way.</p>
<p>@immasenior - I’ll let you know when I start to believe a person who refrains from cheating yet believes it to be a noble act. Don’t wreck yourself, LOL. </p>
<p>Someone getting a little animus in this tread.</p>
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<em>chuckles</em> Alright internet warrior.</p>
<p>Cheating is intrinsically immoral, but cheaters aren’t necessarily.</p>
<p>@Repede - Agree. </p>
<p>Also to those who say cheating is okay because it’s a skill: Let’s extend that thought process. Following that same logic, if you can get away with murder, that’s also useful. Sure, some people can do that, but the people who get away with it in society at large are so few it’s insignificant. But since it’s such a glorified skill, let’s say that everyone in society wants to be able to get away with murder. And let’s say that somehow everyone can get away with murder. What you get isn’t a better society, but anarchy. That’s why cheating is wrong; sure, you may get some small benefit from cheating, but if everyone does it, everyone loses.</p>
<p>People cheating gets on my nerves-- and I’m not talking about the less serious “copying homework” offense. This kid who sits in front of me always cheats off of me and everyone around me. I feel really tempted to tell the teacher but I don’t want to feel bad or be called a tattle tale. I know for sure he cheated on 2 quizzes and one test. On every single question, he did. I feel he does not deserve the grade at all. I usually don’t tell on people who cheat because they can make their own decisions and if they get caught, so be it. Even so, I’m still not sure if this person should be the first person I tell on for cheating lol. ._.</p>
<p>In my high school, there was an incident last year with and AP BIO class cheating as well. Apparently, there was some kid who had access to a hard test, took pictures, and sent them to everyone in the class. A teacher overheard another kid talking about this and reported this to the BIO teacher. So although the students had the test and reviewed and answered them, the teacher changed the multple choice answers. So if the correct answer was A, it got switched to C. A lot of people memorized the order of letters and didn’t pay attention to the questions.
Well you know what happens. Everyone except some people who knew the right thing and actually studied, failed. Really badly, and so the teacher knew who cheated.</p>
<p>I just can’t believe cheaters can be so stupid sometimes. Maybe that’s why they cheat. I’m sure these people have plenty of reasons why. Some may be accurate, and some may not. Some people need to, because they forgot to study or blah blah blah. </p>
<p>It’s too bad for them. They cheat, they get beat.</p>
<p>In my freshman class of math, there is this girl who sits next to me. Every quiz or test, she claims that she never studies. And why does she get A’s? Maybe because of who she sits next to? Her right (me) her left (another smartie). It’s really annoying because I don’t know if she realizes it at all, but I SEE YOU looking and glancing at my paper!!! Every single time! I try moving my hand or rest my head on my hand bent taking tests. Somehow she still manages. I can’t believe my teacher wont catch her.
I can’t tell on her, cause that’ll just make me look bad. Also, she has a pretty persuasive personality when it comes to these situations. So sometimes you just can’t do anything about it. But obviously during midterms where the desks are finally apart…it shows.</p>
<p>It’s Friday. What is the verdict of the original situation?</p>
<p>I wanna know too hah!</p>
<p>Jeez preamble, I think you’ve taken this way too far. You don’t need to practically attack everyone who disagrees with you. The title of this thread is, “how do you feel about cheating?” yet you insist everyone is wrong who says anything that you disagree with.</p>
<p>@CE527M I agree. Maybe not in the sense of “attacking” but arguing, yes. </p>